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On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:00:20 GMT, The Ghost In The Machine
<ewill@sirius.athghost7038suus.net> wrote:

>In sci.physics.relativity, Henri Wilson
><H@.>
> wrote
>on Mon, 01 Nov 2004 05:19:41 GMT
><tphbo0tqmlbdl8t69q8ufaltuiechkrhcg@4ax.com>:
>> On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 01:00:58 GMT, The Ghost In The Machine
>> <ewill@sirius.athghost7038suus.net> wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics.relativity, Henri Wilson
>>><H@.>
>>> wrote
>>>on Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:59:28 GMT
>>><crnao0ti5mlnj2e75185h1k3pr4mkqns2m@4ax.com>:
>>>> On 29 Oct 2004 09:37:50 -0700, titanpoint@yahoo.com (Titan Point) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>H@..(Henri Wilson) wrote in message news:<6ne1o05f4ml8vs8fffqmqd6k09bh6b3ogt@4ax.com>...
>>>>>> On 28 Oct 2004 01:39:31 -0700, titanpoint@yahoo.com (Titan Point) wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> >H@..(Henri Wilson) wrote in message news:<m780o01r64c36f6rc53ljm80tcvgtqvncp@4ax.com>...
>>>>>> >> On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 05:08:43 GMT, Bill Rowe <readnewscix@earthlink.net.invalid>
>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>> >> >In article <mp0rn0luu869k5au65n99n1aua44vd4pe6@4ax.com>,
>>>>>> >> > H@..(Henri Wilson) wrote:
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >> As far as I can see, Einstein's version of relativity was never taken 
>>>>>> >> >> seriously outside of the USA and GB. It is a western hoax, 
>>>>>> >> >> perpetuated by generations of academic inbreeding.
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >This merely demonstrates your myopic view. I am certain the Galileo 
>>>>>> >> >system planned by ESA will definitely make use of relativity just as the 
>>>>>> >> >US GPS system. Additionally, I believe the Russians also built a system 
>>>>>> >> >similar to GPS which also must have considered relativity. So, your idea 
>>>>>> >> >relativity is taken seriously by just the US and GB is simply fantasy.
>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>> >> I'm sure the orbiting clocks will be software adjusted so that they will be in
>>>>>> >> synch with the ground clocks.
>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>> >> HW.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Why should that happen, unless they were going out of synchronization
>>>>>> >due to motion and position in the Earth's gravitational field?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Clocks change rates slightly when relieved of gravitational self compresion
>>>>>> They are also affected by cutting the Earths fields. 
>>>>>
>>>>>Is this the best you can come up with?
>>>>>
>>>>>How does "graviational self-compression" affect the transition between
>>>>>energy levels of an electron in a caesium atom? Please quantify with
>>>>>actual mathematics and data of this so-called effect.
>>>>>
>>>>>Otherwise people might think you were just making this up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> GPS clocks are observed to change rates when placed into orbit, AS MEASURED BY
>>>> THE ORIGINAL OBSERVER IN THE ORIGINAL FRAME. This is obviously a REAL
>>>> physical/mechanical change.
>>>>
>>>> PLease explain why you think a mathematical equation can alter the rate of a
>>>> clock?
>>>
>>>It cannot.  However, the clock's rate is altered.  NTS-2 showed
>>>this long ago (the modern crop don't bother with a flippable
>>>adjustment switch; the builders just build in the frequency
>>>shift).
>>>
>>>All the equation does is estimate it -- rather accurately, AIUI.
>>
>> Please explain precisely how the equation relates to the physical
>> clock rate change.
>
>I'd have to do some research; the equation in this case relates
>to both SR and GR issues -- SR because the satellite is moving,
>GR because it's in (slightly less) warped space (caused by the
>Earth's mass).
>
>In any event, NTS-2 did show a discrepancy of about 4.46 * 10^-10 parts,
>before the switch was flipped.

No, Ghost, I mean 'show me the exactly how the equation alters the observed
clock rate'.

I was under the impression that the GR equation had something to do with TIME
not clocks.

>
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