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Article #285Re: RICHARD FEYNMAN ABOUT THE SPEED OF LIGHT
From: G. L. Bradford
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 16:23
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 16:23
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"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:de315710-ff26-4145-8c2e-1ade14b28958@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... > The Feynman Lectures on Physics, Volume 1, Chapter 15-1: > "Suppose we are riding in a car that is going at a speed u, and light > from the rear is going past the car with speed c. Differentiating the > first equation in (15.2) gives dx'/dt=dx/dt-u, which means that > according to the Galilean transformation the apparent speed of the > passing light, as we measure it in the car, should not be c but should > be c-u." > > Needless to say, Feynman rejects the equation c'=c-u (it is > incompatible with Einstein's special relativity) but: > > 1. According to Maxwell's theory, the equation c'=c-u is correct (u is > the speed of the car relative to the ether). > > 2. According to Newton's emission theory of light, the equation c'=c-u > is correct (u is the speed of the car relative to the emitter). > > 3. In the absence of ad hoc auxiliary hypotheses (Lorentz-FitzGerald's > length contraction), the Michelson-Morley experiment confirms the > equation c'=c-u and refutes the alternative equation c'=c compatible > with Einstein's special relativity: > > http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00001743/02/Norton.pdf > John Norton: "Einstein regarded the Michelson-Morley experiment as > evidence for the principle of relativity, whereas later writers almost > universally use it as support for the light postulate of special > relativity......THE MICHELSON-MORLEY EXPERIMENT IS FULLY COMPATIBLE > WITH AN EMISSION THEORY OF LIGHT THAT CONTRADICTS THE LIGHT > POSTULATE." > > http://books.google.com/books?id=JokgnS1JtmMC > "Relativity and Its Roots" By Banesh Hoffmann > p.92: "Moreover, if light consists of particles, as Einstein had > suggested in his paper submitted just thirteen weeks before this one, > the second principle seems absurd: A stone thrown from a speeding > train can do far more damage than one thrown from a train at rest; the > speed of the particle is not independent of the motion of the object > emitting it. And if we take light to consist of particles and assume > that these particles obey Newton's laws, they will conform to > Newtonian relativity and thus automatically account for the null > result of the Michelson-Morley experiment without recourse to > contracting lengths, local time, or Lorentz transformations. Yet, as > we have seen, Einstein resisted the temptation to account for the null > result in terms of particles of light and simple, familiar Newtonian > ideas, and introduced as his second postulate something that was more > or less obvious when thought of in terms of waves in an ether." > > Pentcho Valev ==================== Since in no case are you dealing with [there-now (0)] from a distance (here-now (0)), the [histories (-)] you are dealing with will always vary. (0=0) (c=c) Like so many others around here, including opponents, you seem utterly incapable of dealing -- either seeing / perceiving or traveling -- in time travel from past to future (past (-) to now (0) via future (+)). ((-) > (0)) (c=c) Again like so many others around here, including opponents, you seem utterly incapable of dealing -- either seeing / perceiving or traveling -- in anything like a [symmetrical / asymmetrical] bi-directional light-time grid: ((0) < (-)) ((0) > (-)) where: (< = (+)) (> = (-)) (0=0) (c=c) GLB ====================
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