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Re: RICHARD FEYNMAN ABOUT THE SPEED OF LIGHT

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From: G. L. Bradford
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 17:37
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"G. L. Bradford" <glbrad01@insightbb.com> wrote in message 
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> "Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
> news:de315710-ff26-4145-8c2e-1ade14b28958@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>> The Feynman Lectures on Physics, Volume 1, Chapter 15-1:
>> "Suppose we are riding in a car that is going at a speed u, and light
>> from the rear is going past the car with speed c. Differentiating the
>> first equation in (15.2) gives dx'/dt=dx/dt-u, which means that
>> according to the Galilean transformation the apparent speed of the
>> passing light, as we measure it in the car, should not be c but should
>> be c-u."
>>
>> Needless to say, Feynman rejects the equation c'=c-u (it is
>> incompatible with Einstein's special relativity) but:
>>
>> 1. According to Maxwell's theory, the equation c'=c-u is correct (u is
>> the speed of the car relative to the ether).
>>
>> 2. According to Newton's emission theory of light, the equation c'=c-u
>> is correct (u is the speed of the car relative to the emitter).
>>
>> 3. In the absence of ad hoc auxiliary hypotheses (Lorentz-FitzGerald's
>> length contraction), the Michelson-Morley experiment confirms the
>> equation c'=c-u and refutes the alternative equation c'=c compatible
>> with Einstein's special relativity:
>>
>> http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00001743/02/Norton.pdf
>> John Norton: "Einstein regarded the Michelson-Morley experiment as
>> evidence for the principle of relativity, whereas later writers almost
>> universally use it as support for the light postulate of special
>> relativity......THE MICHELSON-MORLEY EXPERIMENT IS FULLY COMPATIBLE
>> WITH AN EMISSION THEORY OF LIGHT THAT CONTRADICTS THE LIGHT
>> POSTULATE."
>>
>> http://books.google.com/books?id=JokgnS1JtmMC
>> "Relativity and Its Roots" By Banesh Hoffmann
>> p.92: "Moreover, if light consists of particles, as Einstein had
>> suggested in his paper submitted just thirteen weeks before this one,
>> the second principle seems absurd: A stone thrown from a speeding
>> train can do far more damage than one thrown from a train at rest; the
>> speed of the particle is not independent of the motion of the object
>> emitting it. And if we take light to consist of particles and assume
>> that these particles obey Newton's laws, they will conform to
>> Newtonian relativity and thus automatically account for the null
>> result of the Michelson-Morley experiment without recourse to
>> contracting lengths, local time, or Lorentz transformations. Yet, as
>> we have seen, Einstein resisted the temptation to account for the null
>> result in terms of particles of light and simple, familiar Newtonian
>> ideas, and introduced as his second postulate something that was more
>> or less obvious when thought of in terms of waves in an ether."
>>
>> Pentcho Valev
>
> ====================
>
>  Since in no case are you dealing with [there-now (0)] from a distance 
> (here-now (0)), the [histories (-)] you are dealing with will always vary. 
> (0=0) (c=c)
>
>  Like so many others around here, including opponents, you seem utterly 
> incapable of dealing -- either seeing / perceiving or traveling -- in time 
> travel from past to future (past (-) to now (0) via future (+)). ((-) > 
> (0)) (c=c)
>
>  Again like so many others around here, including opponents, you seem 
> utterly incapable of dealing -- either seeing / perceiving or traveling --  
> in anything like a [symmetrical / asymmetrical] bi-directional light-time 
> grid:
> ((0) < (-))
> ((0) > (-))
> where:
> (< = (+))
> (> = (-))
> (0=0)
> (c=c)
>
> GLB
>
> ====================

  I should put it a little bit differently:

((0) < (-)) || (< = (+)) for ((0) (+) (-))
((0) > (-)) || (> = (-))  for ((0) (-) (-))
Where:
c = (+)300,000kps
(+)
(0=0)
(-)
c = (-)300,000kps
(c=c)

For the observer / traveler (||(0)||) then (where the direction of motion is 
(<--) and cosmological constant is (0)):

(<--)
((0) < (-)||(0)||(0) > (-))
((0) (+) (-)||(0)||(0) (-) (-))
(<--)

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  I'm certain you're still not going to see it.

----------------

GLB

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