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Article #286Re: RICHARD FEYNMAN ABOUT THE SPEED OF LIGHT
From: G. L. Bradford
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 17:37
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 17:37
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"G. L. Bradford" <glbrad01@insightbb.com> wrote in message news:ZfidncPFgrgGUbXRnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@insightbb.com... > > "Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:de315710-ff26-4145-8c2e-1ade14b28958@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... >> The Feynman Lectures on Physics, Volume 1, Chapter 15-1: >> "Suppose we are riding in a car that is going at a speed u, and light >> from the rear is going past the car with speed c. Differentiating the >> first equation in (15.2) gives dx'/dt=dx/dt-u, which means that >> according to the Galilean transformation the apparent speed of the >> passing light, as we measure it in the car, should not be c but should >> be c-u." >> >> Needless to say, Feynman rejects the equation c'=c-u (it is >> incompatible with Einstein's special relativity) but: >> >> 1. According to Maxwell's theory, the equation c'=c-u is correct (u is >> the speed of the car relative to the ether). >> >> 2. According to Newton's emission theory of light, the equation c'=c-u >> is correct (u is the speed of the car relative to the emitter). >> >> 3. In the absence of ad hoc auxiliary hypotheses (Lorentz-FitzGerald's >> length contraction), the Michelson-Morley experiment confirms the >> equation c'=c-u and refutes the alternative equation c'=c compatible >> with Einstein's special relativity: >> >> http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00001743/02/Norton.pdf >> John Norton: "Einstein regarded the Michelson-Morley experiment as >> evidence for the principle of relativity, whereas later writers almost >> universally use it as support for the light postulate of special >> relativity......THE MICHELSON-MORLEY EXPERIMENT IS FULLY COMPATIBLE >> WITH AN EMISSION THEORY OF LIGHT THAT CONTRADICTS THE LIGHT >> POSTULATE." >> >> http://books.google.com/books?id=JokgnS1JtmMC >> "Relativity and Its Roots" By Banesh Hoffmann >> p.92: "Moreover, if light consists of particles, as Einstein had >> suggested in his paper submitted just thirteen weeks before this one, >> the second principle seems absurd: A stone thrown from a speeding >> train can do far more damage than one thrown from a train at rest; the >> speed of the particle is not independent of the motion of the object >> emitting it. And if we take light to consist of particles and assume >> that these particles obey Newton's laws, they will conform to >> Newtonian relativity and thus automatically account for the null >> result of the Michelson-Morley experiment without recourse to >> contracting lengths, local time, or Lorentz transformations. Yet, as >> we have seen, Einstein resisted the temptation to account for the null >> result in terms of particles of light and simple, familiar Newtonian >> ideas, and introduced as his second postulate something that was more >> or less obvious when thought of in terms of waves in an ether." >> >> Pentcho Valev > > ==================== > > Since in no case are you dealing with [there-now (0)] from a distance > (here-now (0)), the [histories (-)] you are dealing with will always vary. > (0=0) (c=c) > > Like so many others around here, including opponents, you seem utterly > incapable of dealing -- either seeing / perceiving or traveling -- in time > travel from past to future (past (-) to now (0) via future (+)). ((-) > > (0)) (c=c) > > Again like so many others around here, including opponents, you seem > utterly incapable of dealing -- either seeing / perceiving or traveling -- > in anything like a [symmetrical / asymmetrical] bi-directional light-time > grid: > ((0) < (-)) > ((0) > (-)) > where: > (< = (+)) > (> = (-)) > (0=0) > (c=c) > > GLB > > ==================== I should put it a little bit differently: ((0) < (-)) || (< = (+)) for ((0) (+) (-)) ((0) > (-)) || (> = (-)) for ((0) (-) (-)) Where: c = (+)300,000kps (+) (0=0) (-) c = (-)300,000kps (c=c) For the observer / traveler (||(0)||) then (where the direction of motion is (<--) and cosmological constant is (0)): (<--) ((0) < (-)||(0)||(0) > (-)) ((0) (+) (-)||(0)||(0) (-) (-)) (<--) ---------------- I'm certain you're still not going to see it. ---------------- GLB ===================
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