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Article #338Re: EINSTEINIANS AS MARAUDERS
From: xxein
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 23:40
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 23:40
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On Jun 11, 10:05 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Einsteinians are not allowed to explicitly reject Einstein's 1905 > false light postulate (their whole world would collapse) but they can > safely reject one of its idiotic consequences stating that the passage > of time is an illusion (see also John Norton's confessions below): > > http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=is-time-an-illusion > From the June 2010 Scientific American Magazine: "We have a deep > intuition that the future is open until it becomes present and that > the past is fixed. As time flows, this structure of fixed past, > immediate present and open future gets carried forward in time. This > structure is built into our language, thought and behavior. How we > live our lives hangs on it. Yet as natural as this way of thinking is, > you will not find it reflected in science. The equations of physics do > not tell us which events are occurring right now - they are like a map > without the "you are here" symbol. The present moment does not exist > in them, and therefore neither does the flow of time. Additionally, > Albert Einstein's theories of relativity suggest not only that there > is no single special present but also that all moments are equally > real [see "That Mysterious Flow," by Paul Davies; Scientific American, > September 2002]. Fundamentally, the future is no more open than the > past." > > Pentcho Valev wrote: > > High priests in Einsteiniana have always known that Einstein's 1905 > light postulate is false, that its antithesis given by Newton's > emission theory of light is true and that Einstein's 1954 confession > announcing the death of physics was quite reasonable: > > http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=5538 > Paul Davies: "Was Einstein wrong? Einstein's famous equation E=mc2 is > the only scientific formula known to just about everyone. The "c" here > stands for the speed of light. It is one of the most fundamental of > the basic constants of physics. Or is it? In recent years a few > maverick scientists have claimed that the speed of light might not be > constant at all. Shock, horror! Does this mean the next Great > Revolution in Science is just around the corner?" > > http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/519406/posts > "A GROUP of astronomers and cosmologists has warned that the laws > thought to govern the universe, including Albert Einstein's theory of > relativity, must be rewritten. The group, which includes Professor > Stephen Hawking and Sir Martin Rees, the astronomer royal, say such > laws may only work for our universe but not in others that are now > also thought to exist. "It is becoming increasingly likely that the > rules we had thought were fundamental through time and space are > actually just bylaws for our bit of it," said Rees, whose new book, > Our Cosmic Habitat, is published next month. "Creation is emerging as > even stranger than we thought." Among the ideas facing revision is > Einstein's belief that the speed of light must always be the same - > 186,000 miles a second in a vacuum." > > http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/papers/OntologyOUP_TimesNR.pdf > John Norton: "Already in 1907, a mere two years after the completion > of the special theory, he [Einstein] had concluded that the speed of > light is variable in the presence of a gravitational field." > > http://www.logosjournal.com/issue_4.3/smolin.htm > Lee Smolin: "Special relativity was the result of 10 years of > intellectual struggle, yet Einstein had convinced himself it was wrong > within two years of publishing it." > > http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/index.php?option=com_content&task=vi... > John Stachel: "Einstein discussed the other side of the particle-field > dualism - get rid of fields and just have particles." > Albert Einstein 1954: "I consider it entirely possible that physics > cannot be based upon the field concept, that is on continuous > structures. Then nothing will remain of my whole castle in the air, > including the theory of gravitation, but also nothing of the rest of > contemporary physics." > John Stachel's comment: "If I go down, everything goes down, ha ha, > hm, ha ha ha." > > http://ustl1.univ-lille1.fr/culture/publication/lna/detail/lna40/pgs/... > Jean Eisenstaedt: "Même s'il était conscient de l'intérêt de la > théorie de l'émission, Einstein n'a pas pris le chemin, totalement > oublié, de Michell, de Blair, des Principia en somme. Le contexte de > découverte de la relativité ignorera le XVIIIème siècle et ses racines > historiques plongent au coeur du XIXème siècle. Arago, Fresnel, > Fizeau, Maxwell, Mascart, Michelson, Poincaré, Lorentz en furent les > principaux acteurs et l'optique ondulatoire le cadre dans lequel ces > questions sont posées. Pourtant, au plan des structures physiques, > l'optique relativiste des corps en mouvement de cette fin du XVIIIème > est infiniment plus intéressante - et plus utile pédagogiquement - que > le long cheminement qu'a imposé l'éther." > > Also, high priests in Einsteiniana have always known that marauding > dead science is without risk: once you are allowed to teach that the > greenness of the crocodile exceeds its length, the statement "The > length of the crocodile exceeds its greenness" is the maximum > opposition you can meet with. So up until recently Divine Albert's > Divine Theory was a huge money-spinner and Einsteinians were free to > maraud without restrictions. > > What happened? The opposition based on scientific reasoning is as > impossible as ever but the world no longer cares about Divine Albert's > miracles, just as it no longer cares about Stephen King's horrors (it > still cares about Harry Potter's miracles). In other words, Divine > Albert's Divine Theory is no longer a money-spinner. Accordingly, > Einsteinians are now making their living independently of and even in > opposition to Divine Albert's Divine Theory but occasionally teach > that the greenness of the crocodile exceeds its length, just in case: > > http://www.edge.org/q2008/q08_5.html > John Baez: "On the one hand we have the Standard Model, which tries to > explain all the forces except gravity, and takes quantum mechanics > into account. On the other hand we have General Relativity, which > tries to explain gravity, and does not take quantum mechanics into > account. Both theories seem to be more or less on the right track but > until we somehow fit them together, or completely discard one or both, > our picture of the world will be deeply schizophrenic. (...) I > realized I didn't have enough confidence in either theory to engage in > these heated debates. I also realized that there were other questions > to work on: questions where I could actually tell when I was on the > right track, questions where researchers cooperate more and fight > less. So, I eventually decided to quit working on quantum gravity." > > http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/vacuum.html > John Baez, April 5, 2010: "Thanks to the redshifts of distant galaxies > and quasars, we've known for a long time that the universe is > expanding. The new data shows something surprising: this expansion is > speeding up. Ordinary matter can only make the expansion slow down, > since gravity attracts - at least for ordinary matter. What can > possibly make the expansion speed up, then? Well, general relativity > says that if the vacuum has energy density, it must also have > pressure! In fact, it must have a pressure equal to exactly -1 times > its energy density, in units where the speed of light and Newton's > gravitational constant equal 1. Positive energy density makes the > expansion of the universe tend to slow down... but negative pressure > makes the expansion tend to speed up." > > http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20026831.500-what-makes-the-uni... > "General relativity knits together space, time and gravity. > Confounding all common sense, how time passes in Einstein's universe > depends on what you are doing and where you are. Clocks run faster > when the pull of gravity is weaker, so if you live up a skyscraper you > age ever so slightly faster than you would if you lived on the ground > floor, where Earth's gravitational tug is stronger. "General > relativity completely changed our understanding of time," says Carlo > Rovelli, a theoretical physicist at the University of the > Mediterranean in Marseille, France.....It is still not clear who is > right, says John Norton, a philosopher based at the University of > Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Norton is hesitant to express it, but his > instinct - and the consensus in physics - seems to be that space and > time exist on their own. The trouble with this idea, though, is that > it doesn't sit well with relativity, which describes space-time as a > malleable fabric whose geometry can be changed by the gravity of > stars, planets and matter." > > http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/Goodies/passage/index.html > John Norton: "A common belief among philosophers of physics is that > the passage of time of ordinary experience is merely an illusion. The > idea is seductive since it explains away the awkward fact that our > best physical theories of space and time have yet to capture this > passage. I urge that we should resist the idea. We know what illusions > are like and how to detect them. Passage exhibits no sign of being an > illusion....Following from the work of Einstein, Minkowski and many > more, physics has given a wonderfully powerful conception of space and > time. Relativity theory, in its most perspicacious form, melds space > and time together to form a four-dimensional spacetime. The study of > motion in space and and all other processes that unfold in them merely > reduce to the study of an odd sort of geometry that prevails in > spacetime. In many ways, time turns out to be just like space. In this > spacetime geometry, there are differences between space and time. But > a difference that somehow captures the passage of time is not to be > found. There is no passage of time. There are temporal orderings. We > can identify earlier and later stages of temporal processes and > everything in between. What we cannot find is a passing of those > stages that recapitulates the presentation of the successive moments > to our consciousness, all > > read more »... xxein: What is your solution to understand the all of the physic? All you do is complain without a solution. Learn something about critical thinking and offer a solution that works. It's not that any prior theories are right, but what is better? If you cannot produce one, you are wasting bytes and your sanity.
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