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Article #5316Re: WHY ALBERT EINSTEIN IS GREATER THAN JOHN MICHELL
From: xxein
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:05
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On Mar 27, 4:11 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/16830151.html > Smithsonian wisdom: "Albert Einstein's general theory of relativity > predicted that the gravity of an extremely dense body could bend a ray > of light so severely that it could not escape." > > Giants of Science Stephen Hawking and Clifford Will explain to > Einstein zombie world why John Michell was unable to discover what > Albert Einstein has discovered. John Michell did not know the > Michelson-Morley experiment and special relativity: > > http://www.hawking.org.uk/lectures/dice.html > Stephen Hawking: "Both Mitchell and Laplace thought of light as > consisting of particles, rather like cannon balls, that could be > slowed down by gravity, and made to fall back on the star. But a > famous experiment, carried out by two Americans, Michelson and Morley > in 1887, showed that light always travelled at a speed of one hundred > and eighty six thousand miles a second, no matter where it came from. > How then could gravity slow down light, and make it fall back." > > http://admin.wadsworth.com/resource_uploads/static_resources/05344933... > Clifford Will: "The first glimmerings of the black hole idea date to > the 18th century, in the writings of a British amateur astronomer, the > Reverend John Michell. Reasoning on the basis of the corpuscular > theory that light would be attracted by gravity, he noted that the > speed of light emitted from the surface of a massive body would be > reduced by the time the light was very far from the source. (Michell > of course did not know special relativity.)" > > Dwarfs of Science John Norton and Jean Eisenstaedt seem to disagree > with Giants of Science Stephen Hawking and Clifford Will but who > cares: > > http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00001743/02/Norton.pdf > John Norton: "Einstein regarded the Michelson-Morley experiment as > evidence for the principle of relativity, whereas later writers almost > universally use it as support for the light postulate of special > relativity......THE MICHELSON-MORLEY EXPERIMENT IS FULLY COMPATIBLE > WITH AN EMISSION THEORY OF LIGHT THAT CONTRADICTS THE LIGHT > POSTULATE." > > http://ustl1.univ-lille1.fr/culture/publication/lna/detail/lna40/pgs/... > Jean Eisenstaedt: "Il n'y a alors aucune raison theorique a ce que la > vitesse de la lumiere ne depende pas de la vitesse de sa source ainsi > que de celle de l'observateur terrestre ; plus clairement encore, il > n'y a pas de raison, dans le cadre de la logique des Principia de > Newton, pour que la lumiere se comporte autrement - quant a sa > trajectoire - qu'une particule materielle. Il n'y a pas non plus de > raison pour que la lumiere ne soit pas sensible a la gravitation. > Bref, pourquoi ne pas appliquer a la lumiere toute la theorie > newtonienne ? C'est en fait ce que font plusieurs astronomes, > opticiens, philosophes de la nature a la fin du XVIIIeme siecle. Les > resultats sont etonnants... et aujourd'hui nouveaux." > > Translation from French: "Therefore there is no theoretical reason why > the speed of light should not depend on the speed of the source and > the speed of the terrestrial observer as well; even more clearly, > there is no reason, in the framework of the logic of Newton's > Principia, why light should behave, as far as its trajectory is > concerned, differently from a material particle. Neither is there any > reason why light should not be sensible to gravitation. Briefly, why > don't we apply the whole Newtonian theory to light? In fact, that is > what many astronomers, opticians, philosophers of nature did by the > end of 18th century. The results are surprising....and new nowadays." > > Pentcho Valev > pva...@yahoo.com xxein: Have you ever thought that since previous explanations were so wrong, that we should not hold them as a basis of future theory-making?
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