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Article #5546Re: ENTROPY: SUPREME LAW OF NATURE OR SCIENCE-KILLER?
From: Eric Gisse
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 06:23
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 06:23
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On Feb 16, 3:17 am, stevendaryl3...@yahoo.com (Daryl McCullough) wrote: > In article <9d54d3fb-36bb-4661-9c11-b17c13de3...@q78g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, > Pentcho Valev says... > > > > > > >Clausius deduced his famous "Entropy always increases" from two > >premises: > > >1. Any irreversible process can be closed by a reversible process to > >become a cycle. > > >2. Closed integral of dQ/T is negative or zero for any cycle (Q is the > >heat absorbed, T is the temperature). > > >The falsehood of the first premise is almost obvious. I am not able to > >prove RIGOROUSLY the falsehood of the second, but its truth is not > >proved either (Clausius' proof is invalid). The problem with the > >second premise is mentioned here: > > >http://www.chem.umd.edu/~devoe/thermo/3steps.pdf > > >Unfortunately the analysis is too technical to be discussed via > >email. > > It's refreshing to see people who are crackpots about something > other than relativity for a change. http://bip.cnrs-mrs.fr/bip10/valevfaq.htm > > -- > Daryl McCullough > Ithaca, NY
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