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Article #5563Re: LEE SMOLIN AGAINST ISAAC NEWTON
From: Androcles
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 08:39
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 08:39
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<Eric Baird> wrote in message news:gmvsq39nurfqldtouqnr7d2hsufcf4krgs@4ax.com... | On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 23:34:41 -0800 (PST), Pentcho Valev | <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote: | | >http://philipball.blogspot.com/2007/09/arthur-eddington-was-innocent-this-is.html | >"With the technology then available, measuring the bending of | >starlight was very challenging. And contrary to popular belief, | >Newtonian physics did not predict that light would remain undeflected | >- Einstein himself pointed out in 1911 that Newtonian gravity should | >cause some deviation too. So the matter was not that of an all-or- | >nothing shift in stars' positions, but hinged on the exact numbers." | > | >However Budding Young Einsteins are taught in a different way: | > | >http://pirsa.org/speaker/Lee_Smolin | >Lee Smolin - ISSYP Keynote Session | >Speaker(s): Lee Smolin | >Abstract: | >Date: 01/08/2007 - 1:00 pm | > | >http://streamer.perimeterinstitute.ca/mediasite/viewer/?peid=5f32739a-624d-4ec8-9ecc-4d44d3d16fe9 | >Lee Smolin: "Newton's theory predicts that light goes in straight | >lines and therefore if the star passes behind the sun, we can't see | >it. Einstein's theory predicts that light is bent...." | > | >Pentcho Valev | >pvalev@yahoo.com | | | Okay, agreed, Smolin got that badly wrong. <sigh> | | | Newton light-bending refs: | : Principia, vol.1, Prop XCVI (etc.). | : Opticks, "Queries" | | The sad thing here is that Newton's two main publications both | contradict the myth, they're both currently in print in paperback, | they're probably in every uni library, and many physicists //still// | can't be bothered to check their data against a primary source. | | The irony is that physicists tend to believe that fact-checking in | their community is quite excellent. So they get complacent, and | things that really should get picked up and emphatically corrected | often don't. Everyone just trusts that certain common statements | /must/ be true, or else they wouldn't be in print. | | So, because people believe that fact-checking is obviously so much | better in physics than in the other hard sciences, it's often a lot | worse. | | In fact, it's often absolutely appalling. | 'we establish by definition that the "time" required by light to travel from A to B equals the "time" it requires to travel from B to A' because I SAY SO. -- Rabbi Albert Einstein Ok, Einstein got that gleefully wrong. <sigh> Did you mention that in your book?
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