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Article #5564Re: FAT RATS LEAVE THE SINKING SHIP
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 08:41
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 08:41
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On Feb 8, 11:11 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Feb 6, 12:11 pm, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > On Jan 22, 5:35 pm, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > http://www.edge.org/q2008/q08_5.html > > > John Baez: "I realized I didn't have enough confidence in either > > > theory to engage in these heated debates. I also realized that there > > > were other questions to work on: questions where I could actually tell > > > when I was on the right track, questions where researchers cooperate > > > more and fight less. So, I eventually decided to quit working on > > > quantum gravity. It was very painful to do this, since quantum gravity > > > had been my holy grail for decades. After you've convinced yourself > > > that some problem is the one you want to spend your life working on, > > > it's hard to change your mind. But when I finally did, it was > > > tremendously liberating. I wouldn't urge anyone else to quit working > > > on quantum gravity. Someday, someone is going to make real progress. > > > When this happens, I may even rejoin the subject. But for now, I'm > > > thinking about other things. And, I'm making more real progress > > > understanding the universe than I ever did before." > > > The fat rat has discovered a new money-spinner (it seems Einstein's > > zombies have no Masters now): > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfU4AFTZdN0 > > http://geo600.aei.mpg.de/links/relativity-on-the-world-wide-web > Relativity on the World Wide Web. Links to accurate sites on special > and general relativity (by Chris Hillman and John Baez) The link > address is: http://www.math.ucr.edu/home/baez/RelWWW/ > "RelWWW has existed for approximately 15 years, but in the past 5 > years it has become clear that I lack the time and inclination to > properly maintain this website. More seriously, the World Wide Web has > not developed in the way I hopefully anticipated back in 1992. > Consequently, I have concluded that the site is no longer useful for > the hypothetical "serious student" whom I envisioned as the target > audience. Therefore, I have deleted it." Chris Hillman, June 2007 > > Why did fat rats John Baez and Chris Hillman delete the site? The > answer: > > http://www.edge.org/q2008/q08_5.html > John Baez: "One of the big problems in physics -- perhaps the biggest! > -- is figuring out how our two current best theories fit together. On > the one hand we have the Standard Model, which tries to explain all > the forces except gravity, and takes quantum mechanics into account. > On the other hand we have General Relativity, which tries to explain > gravity, and does not take quantum mechanics into account. Both > theories seem to be more or less on the right track -- but until we > somehow fit them together, or completely discard one or both, our > picture of the world will be deeply schizophrenic." > > Fat rats have created a schizophrenic world but do not want to live in > it - let other people waste their time and energy wondering why Divine > Albert has said either that the speed of light is constant or that it > is variable or that the speed of light is both constant and variable > or whatever Divine Albert has found it suitable to say. Fat rats in the process of creating a schizophrenic world: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_frm/thread/d28e668a90057feb? John Baez, Oct 27, 1995: "You can see that I did not assert anything about the photon's mass. I know what the photon's mass is, but I never talk about it around here because the endless discussion of the photon's mass is boring, boring, boring." Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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