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Article #5574Re: LEE SMOLIN AGAINST ISAAC NEWTON
From: srp2inc
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 19:51
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 19:51
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On 7 fév, 13:26, Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 7, 4:35 am, srp2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > On 6 fév, 22:29, Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 6, 2:10 pm, srp2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > On 6 fév, 17:38, Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 6, 6:33 am, srp2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > On 6 fév, 02:34, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >http://philipball.blogspot.com/2007/09/arthur-eddington-was-innocent-... > > > > > > > "With the technology then available, measuring the bending of > > > > > > > starlight was very challenging. And contrary to popular belief, > > > > > > > Newtonian physics did not predict that light would remain undeflected > > > > > > > - Einstein himself pointed out in 1911 that Newtonian gravity should > > > > > > > cause some deviation too. So the matter was not that of an all-or- > > > > > > > nothing shift in stars' positions, but hinged on the exact numbers." > > > > > > > Right. > > > > > > > Classical Newtonian mechanics predicts that light will bend with > > > > > > twice the angle observed. > > > > > > > Relativistic Newtonian mechanics however predicts the correct > > > > > > angle since it is now understood that only half a photon's energy > > > > > > is sensitive to transverse interaction. > > > > > > Uhhhhh....no. General relativity [is NOT "relativistic Newtonian > > > > > mechanics] makes the correct prediction > > > > > So does relativistic Newtonian mechanics, in perfect harmony > > > > with Maxwell's theory. > > > > A relativistic Newtonian mechanics is a contradiction in terms. > > > > The fact is that general relativity makes the predictions about light > > > bending /without/ reference to Maxwell's equations or anything about > > > light /other/ than it traveling on a null path. > > > Any theory that predicts anything about light without reference > > to electromagnetism and Maxwell can only be a mathematical patchwork > > doomed to end up in file 13. > > Where do you think the massless assumption came from? From ignorance of the nature of electromagnetic energy. > You could, in theory, solve the field equations for a electromagnetic > stress-energy tensor with a plane wave solution. Good luck solving > that. The Copenhagen community's moto: Why make things simple when you can make them complicated ? > > > Is there a particular > > > reason you can't open up a textbook, see the derivation, repeat the > > > derivation, and compare with observation? > > > I have and have rejected the method. I have a much better integrated > > one that can even explain the stuff that GR can't deal with. > > If you still don't understand how GR can make the predictions it does > and that it doesn't assume the things you don't think it does, no, you > haven't. > > Work on the mundane before you attack the subtle. If your theory can't > explain prosaic effects like perihelion precession, why would it > accurately explain whatever fringe effect you are focusing on this > time? You are so disconnected Eric that it edges on unconsciousness. Why don't you wake up. André Michaud
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