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Article #5687Re: DIVINE ALBERT, POINCARE, NON-EUCLIDEAN GEOMETRY
From: xxein
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:58
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:58
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On Jan 30, 9:27 pm, "Jeckyl" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote: > > On Jan 30, 5:30 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>http://hem.bredband.net/b153434/Works/Einstein.htm > >> Divine Albert: "In a space which is free of gravitational fields we > >> introduce a Galilean system of reference K (x, y, z, t), and also a > >> system of co-ordinates K' (x', y', z', t') in uniform rotation > >> relatively to K. Let the origins of both systems, as well as their > >> axes of Z, permanently coincide. We shall show that for a space-time > >> measurement in the system K' the above definition of the physical > >> meaning of lengths and times cannot be maintained. For reasons of > >> symmetry it is clear that a circle around the origin in the X, Y plane > >> of K may at the same time be regarded as a circle in the X', Y' plane > >> of K'. We suppose that the circumference and diameter of this circle > >> have been measured with a unit measure infinitely small compared with > >> the radius, and that we have the quotient of the two results. If this > >> experiment were performed with a measuring-rod at rest relatively to > >> the Galilean system K, the quotient would be [pi]. With a measuring- > >> rod at rest relatively to K', the quotient would be greater than [pi]. > >> This is readily understood if we envisage the whole process of > >> measuring from the "stationary" system K, and take into consideration > >> that the measuring-rod applied to the periphery undergoes a Lorentzian > >> contraction, while the one applied along the radius does not. Hence > >> Euclidean geometry does not apply to K'." > > >> Why does Divine Albert believe that, "with a measuring-rod at rest > >> relatively to K', the quotient would be greater than [pi]"? Obviously > >> because "the measuring-rod applied to the periphery undergoes a > >> Lorentzian contraction". Then why does the segment of the periphery, > >> to which the measuring-rod is applied and which moves together with > >> the measuring-rod, fail to undergo a Lorentzian contraction? > > The rod when measuring the radius has its long edge aligned in the direction > of a radial line, and so the long edge is not in the diretio of motion (it > is a right angles to it) so you get no contraction in length of ruler (but > you do get one in the width). > > When the rod is turned around to measure along the periphery, the long edge > of the rod aligned in the direction of motion and so it is contracted, but > this time the width is not.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - xxein: So? Move it continuously around the perimeter/circumference in d/steps. Add them up. Now measure each radian in the same d/steps and add THEM up. The ratio of the summations = pi. This does not work in gravity, however.
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