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Article #5688Re: DIVINE ALBERT, POINCARE, NON-EUCLIDEAN GEOMETRY
From: Ockham
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:21
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:21
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"xxein" <xxein@comcast.net> wrote in message news:e3083d83-0e92-4f51-8f2d-61d81a11957c@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com... On Jan 30, 8:54 pm, "Ockham" <m...@razor.shaves.close> wrote: > "xxein" <xx...@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:50c4d3b3-f2c5-4cdd-8095-1760a4851e85@i72g2000hsd.googlegroups.com... > On Jan 30, 5:30 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > >http://hem.bredband.net/b153434/Works/Einstein.htm > > Divine Albert: "In a space which is free of gravitational fields we > > introduce a Galilean system of reference K (x, y, z, t), and also a > > system of co-ordinates K' (x', y', z', t') in uniform rotation > > relatively to K. Let the origins of both systems, as well as their > > axes of Z, permanently coincide. We shall show that for a space-time > > measurement in the system K' the above definition of the physical > > meaning of lengths and times cannot be maintained. For reasons of > > symmetry it is clear that a circle around the origin in the X, Y plane > > of K may at the same time be regarded as a circle in the X', Y' plane > > of K'. We suppose that the circumference and diameter of this circle > > have been measured with a unit measure infinitely small compared with > > the radius, and that we have the quotient of the two results. If this > > experiment were performed with a measuring-rod at rest relatively to > > the Galilean system K, the quotient would be [pi]. With a measuring- > > rod at rest relatively to K', the quotient would be greater than [pi]. > > This is readily understood if we envisage the whole process of > > measuring from the "stationary" system K, and take into consideration > > that the measuring-rod applied to the periphery undergoes a Lorentzian > > contraction, while the one applied along the radius does not. Hence > > Euclidean geometry does not apply to K'." > > > Why does Divine Albert believe that, "with a measuring-rod at rest > > relatively to K', the quotient would be greater than [pi]"? Obviously > > because "the measuring-rod applied to the periphery undergoes a > > Lorentzian contraction". Then why does the segment of the periphery, > > to which the measuring-rod is applied and which moves together with > > the measuring-rod, fail to undergo a Lorentzian contraction? > > > In 1902, in "La Science et l'hypothese", Henri Poincare, in order to > > justify non-Euclidean geometries, presented a parabole. Bidimensional > > creatures live on a disc. The disc is heated under its center so that > > the temperature is high at the center and decreases towards the > > periphery. The creatures use rigid measuring rods in order to > > determine the geometry of their world. They know nothing about the > > heater and accordingly discover that the ratio of the circumference > > and the diameter is greater than [pi]. The creatures conclude that > > Euclidean geometry cannot be true on their disc. > > > Pentcho Valev > > pva...@yahoo.com > > xxein: We are K' to any other observer (gravity or not). For your > question (sans gravity) who would not be K'? How do WE get pi? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computing_%CF%80- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - xxein: Geez, you stupid fart! Can't you follow a discussion? The internal angles of a triangle with vertices London, Sydney, New York are all much greater than 90 degrees. Why is that, geez you stupid shit?
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