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Article #5883Re: WHO HAS THE RIGHT TO ALLOW THE SPEED OF LIGHT TO VARY
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:46
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:46
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On Jan 12, 11:52ย am, Benj <bjac...@iwaynet.net> wrote: > On Jan 12, 2:14 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >http://www.usnews.com/usnews/culture/articles/030526/26beyond.htm > > Oh BROTHER! ย First, we have a majority of posters in this newsgroup > trying to prove they are "smarter than Einstein" and now we have some > U.S. News journalist having a go at it! ย I mean these writers are the > guys who pretend to be so dumb that they can't understand that CO2 > CANNOT cause "AWG" or that the CDC studies on "gun control" are quack > science at it's best and are now going to use their vast (or is it > half-vast) intellects to "explain" to us peons what relativity is all > about! > > PLEASE will someone please give us a BREAK! Brother, the News journalist can only tell you what Master Lee Smolin has allowed him to tell you. You can see Master Lee Smolin's original rejection (somewhat camouflaged of course) of Einstein's 1905 false light postulate: http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/smolin03/smolin03_print.html Lee Smolin: "These ideas all seemed crazy to me, and for a long time I didn't get it. I was sure it was wrong! But Joao kept bugging me and slowly I realized that they had a point. We have since written several papers together showing how Einstein's postulates may be modified to give a new version of special relativity in which the speed of light can depend on energy." You can also see this, oh brother: http://www.logosjournal.com/issue_4.3/smolin.htm "Einstein's Legacy -- Where are the "Einsteinians?", Lee Smolin: "Quantum theory was not the only theory that bothered Einstein. Few people have appreciated how dissatisfied he was with his own theories of relativity. Special relativity grew out of Einstein's insight that the laws of electromagnetism cannot depend on relative motion and that the speed of light therefore must be always the same, no matter how the source or the observer moves. Among the consequences of that theory are that energy and mass are equivalent (the now-legendary relationship E = mc2) and that time and distance are relative, not absolute. SPECIAL RELATIVITY WAS THE RESULT OF 10 YEARS OF INTELLECTUAL STRUGGLE, YET EINSTEIN HAD CONVINCED HIMSELF IT WAS WRONG WITHIN TWO YEARS OF PUBLISHING IT." http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/papers/OntologyOUP_TimesNR.pdf "What Can We Learn about the Ontology of Space and Time from the Theory of Relativity?", John D. Norton: "In general relativity there is no comparable sense of the constancy of the speed of light. The constancy of the speed of light is a consequence of the perfect homogeneity of spacetime presumed in special relativity. There is a special velocity at each event; homogeneity forces it to be the same velocity everywhere. We lose that homogeneity in the transition to general relativity and with it we lose the constancy of the speed of light. Such was Einstein's conclusion at the earliest moments of his preparation for general relativity. ALREADY IN 1907, A MERE TWO YEARS AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THE SPECIAL THEORY, HE HAD CONCLUDED THAT THE SPEED OF LIGHT IS VARIABLE IN THE PRESENCE OF A GRAVITATIONAL FIELD." Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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