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Re: WHO HAS THE RIGHT TO ALLOW THE SPEED OF LIGHT TO VARY

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From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:46
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On Jan 12, 11:52ย am, Benj <bjac...@iwaynet.net> wrote:
> On Jan 12, 2:14 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.usnews.com/usnews/culture/articles/030526/26beyond.htm
>
> Oh BROTHER! ย First, we have a majority of posters in this newsgroup
> trying to prove they are "smarter than Einstein" and now we have some
> U.S. News journalist having a go at it! ย I mean these writers are the
> guys who pretend to be so dumb that they can't understand that CO2
> CANNOT cause "AWG" or that the CDC studies on "gun control" are quack
> science at it's best and are now going to use their vast (or is it
> half-vast) intellects to "explain" to us peons what relativity is all
> about!
>
> PLEASE will someone please give us a BREAK!

Brother, the News journalist can only tell you what Master Lee Smolin
has allowed him to tell you. You can see Master Lee Smolin's original
rejection (somewhat camouflaged of course) of Einstein's 1905 false
light postulate:

http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/smolin03/smolin03_print.html
Lee Smolin: "These ideas all seemed crazy to me, and for a long time I
didn't get it. I was sure it was wrong! But Joao kept bugging me and
slowly I realized that they had a point. We have since written several
papers together showing how Einstein's postulates may be modified to
give a new version of special relativity in which the speed of light
can depend on energy."

You can also see this, oh brother:

http://www.logosjournal.com/issue_4.3/smolin.htm "Einstein's Legacy --
Where are the "Einsteinians?", Lee Smolin: "Quantum theory was not the
only theory that bothered Einstein. Few people have appreciated how
dissatisfied he was with his own theories of relativity. Special
relativity grew out of Einstein's insight that the laws of
electromagnetism cannot depend on relative motion and that the speed
of light therefore must be always the same, no matter how the source
or the observer moves. Among the consequences of that theory are that
energy and mass are equivalent (the now-legendary relationship E =
mc2) and that time and distance are relative, not absolute. SPECIAL
RELATIVITY WAS THE RESULT OF 10 YEARS OF INTELLECTUAL STRUGGLE, YET
EINSTEIN HAD CONVINCED HIMSELF IT WAS WRONG WITHIN TWO YEARS OF
PUBLISHING IT."

http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/papers/OntologyOUP_TimesNR.pdf "What Can
We Learn about the Ontology of Space and Time from the Theory of
Relativity?", John D. Norton: "In general relativity there is no
comparable sense of the constancy of the speed of light. The constancy
of the speed of light is a consequence of the perfect homogeneity of
spacetime presumed in special relativity. There is a special velocity
at each event; homogeneity forces it to be the same velocity
everywhere. We lose that homogeneity in the transition to general
relativity and with it we lose the constancy of the speed of light.
Such was Einstein's conclusion at the earliest moments of his
preparation for general relativity. ALREADY IN 1907, A MERE TWO YEARS
AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THE SPECIAL THEORY, HE HAD CONCLUDED THAT THE
SPEED OF LIGHT IS VARIABLE IN THE PRESENCE OF A GRAVITATIONAL FIELD."

Pentcho Valev
pvalev@yahoo.com
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