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Article #5891Re: EINSTEINIANS: TOO SILLY OR TOO DISHONEST?
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 10:22
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 10:22
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On Dec 27, 2007, 10:15, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > An international team of leading philosophers and physicists: > > http://www.routledge-philosophy.com/books/Einstein-Relativity-and-Absolute-Simultaneity-isbn9780415701747 > "Einstein, Relativity and Absolute Simultaneity is an anthology of > original essays by an international team of leading philosophers and > physicists who, on the centenary of Albert Einsteins Special Theory of > Relativity, come together in this volume to reassess the contemporary > paradigm of the relativistic concept of time." > > A distinguished member of the international team of leading > philosophers and physicists: > > http://philosophy.ucsd.edu/faculty/ccallender/ > "On Finding 'Real' Time in Quantum Mechanics" (draft) Absolute Simultaneity. (Eds) W.L. Craig and Q. Smith. NY: Oxford University > Press, 2007. > Craig Callender: "In my opinion, by far the best way for the tenser to > respond to Putnam et al is to adopt the Lorentz 1915 interpretation of > time dilation and Fitzgerald contraction.1 Lorentz attributed these > effects (and hence the famous null results regarding an aether) to the > Lorentz invariance of the dynamical laws governing matter and > radiation, not to spacetime structure. On this view, Lorentz > invariance is not a spacetime symmetry but a dynamical symmetry, and > the special relativistic effects of dilation and contraction are not > purely kinematical. The background spacetime is Newtonian or neo- > Newtonian, not Minkowskian. Both Newtonian and neo-Newtonian > spacetime include a globalabsolutesimultaneityamong their invariant > structures (with Newtonian spacetime singling out one of neo-Newtonian > spacetime's many preferred inertial frames as the rest frame). On > this picture, there is no relativity ofsimultaneityand spacetime is > uniquely decomposable into space and time." > > The problem is not that leading philosophers and physicists claim > there is no relativity ofsimultaneity. Leading philosophers and > physicists are just looking for a new money-spinner that does not > involve Einstein's idiocies. The problem is that there is NO REACTION > in Einstein zombie world. Science has died. Irreversibly. http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/physics/pdf/0604/0604010v1.pdf Absolute simultaneity: Special relativity without light signals or synchronised clocks, J.H.Field, Departement de Physique Nucleaire et Corpusculaire, Universite de Geneve, E-mail: john.field@cern.ch "Using only the reciprocity postulate, it is demonstrated that the spatial separation of two objects, at rest in some inertial frame, is invariant. This result holds in both Galilean and special relativity. A corollary is that there are no "length contraction" or associated "relativity of simultaneity" effects in the latter theory." Incredible. NO REACTION in Einstein zombie world. Science has died. Irreversibly. Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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