Article View: sci.physics.relativity
Article #5892Re: EINSTEINIANS: TOO SILLY OR TOO DISHONEST?
From: festusbyrne
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 10:44
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 10:44
69 lines
5039 bytes
5039 bytes
On 6 Jan, 10:22, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Dec 27, 2007, 10:15, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > An international team of leading philosophers and physicists: > > >http://www.routledge-philosophy.com/books/Einstein-Relativity-and-Abs... > > "Einstein, Relativity and Absolute Simultaneity is an anthology of > > original essays by an international team of leading philosophers and > > physicists who, on the centenary of Albert Einsteins Special Theory of > > Relativity, come together in this volume to reassess the contemporary > > paradigm of the relativistic concept of time." > > > A distinguished member of the international team of leading > > philosophers and physicists: > > >http://philosophy.ucsd.edu/faculty/ccallender/ > > "On Finding 'Real' Time in Quantum Mechanics" (draft) Absolute Simultaneity. (Eds) W.L. Craig and Q. Smith. NY: Oxford University > > Press, 2007. > > Craig Callender: "In my opinion, by far the best way for the tenser to > > respond to Putnam et al is to adopt the Lorentz 1915 interpretation of > > time dilation and Fitzgerald contraction.1 Lorentz attributed these > > effects (and hence the famous null results regarding an aether) to the > > Lorentz invariance of the dynamical laws governing matter and > > radiation, not to spacetime structure. On this view, Lorentz > > invariance is not a spacetime symmetry but a dynamical symmetry, and > > the special relativistic effects of dilation and contraction are not > > purely kinematical. The background spacetime is Newtonian or neo- > > Newtonian, not Minkowskian. Both Newtonian and neo-Newtonian > > spacetime include a globalabsolutesimultaneityamong their invariant > > structures (with Newtonian spacetime singling out one of neo-Newtonian > > spacetime's many preferred inertial frames as the rest frame). On > > this picture, there is no relativity ofsimultaneityand spacetime is > > uniquely decomposable into space and time." > > > The problem is not that leading philosophers and physicists claim > > there is no relativity ofsimultaneity. Leading philosophers and > > physicists are just looking for a new money-spinner that does not > > involve Einstein's idiocies. The problem is that there is NO REACTION > > in Einstein zombie world. Science has died. Irreversibly. > > http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/physics/pdf/0604/0604010v1.pdf > Absolute simultaneity: Special relativity without light signals or > synchronised clocks, J.H.Field, Departement de Physique Nucleaire et > Corpusculaire, Universite de Geneve, E-mail: john.fi...@cern.ch > "Using only the reciprocity postulate, it is demonstrated that the > spatial separation of two objects, at rest in some inertial frame, is > invariant. This result holds in both Galilean and special relativity. > A corollary is that there are no "length contraction" or associated > "relativity of simultaneity" effects in the latter theory." > > Incredible. NO REACTION in Einstein zombie world. Science has died. > Irreversibly. > > Pentcho Valev > pva...@yahoo.com- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Dear Pentcho Are you an Eintstein bruiser, a jew basher, or just out to bash anyboby who believes in tested science?. What exactly is your motive here? I am guessing you just looking for attention, give your mummy a call.
Technical Details
Message-ID:
<eca6b37d-1717-40af-be42-882fa728e203@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>Path:
arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com!not-for-mailReferences:
<2845b0ec-1171-4c7a-b5a6-f633452f5d9f@x29g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <5611e722-80bb-40d4-9b97-e22638578106@i72g2000hsd.googlegroups.com> <6ab4cd09-619c-43aa-89f0-82103d4675d7@d70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
X-Google-Thread: 10f545,1f03832dffb533f2 X-Google-Thread: 10b271,1f03832dffb533f2 X-Google-Thread: fa4c1,1f03832dffb533f2 X-Google-Thread: 1139f8,1f03832dffb533f2 X-Google-Thread: f55d3,1f03832dffb533f2 X-Google-Attributes: gid10f545,gid10b271,gidfa4c1,gid1139f8,gidf55d3,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: festusbyrne@btinternet.com Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics, fr.sci.physique, fr.sci.maths, fr.sci.philo Subject: Re: EINSTEINIANS: TOO SILLY OR TOO DISHONEST? Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 02:44:34 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 69 Message-ID: <eca6b37d-1717-40af-be42-882fa728e203@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> References: <2845b0ec-1171-4c7a-b5a6-f633452f5d9f@x29g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <5611e722-80bb-40d4-9b97-e22638578106@i72g2000hsd.googlegroups.com> <6ab4cd09-619c-43aa-89f0-82103d4675d7@d70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 86.144.191.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1199616274 30329 127.0.0.1 (6 Jan 2008 10:44:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 10:44:34 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com; posting-host=86.144.191.4; posting-account=eOMs5QkAAABWoyj1kHo5cjOz0KR9PeKS User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; YPC 3.2.0; .NET CLR 2.0.50727),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)