🚀 go-pugleaf

I don't think he was wrong, just misunderstood and I don't understand it 
either.

The lorenz transform is symmentrical so mesons see the atmosphere contracted 
and the earth based observer sees the point where the mesons are coming from 
contracted too.

Emperiment to test what I say:
If you put coincident counters up in such a way as to track the path of the 
mesons and it wax possible to find where a particular shower originated from 
the measurement would find the spallation point just above the lab not 100 
miles away. Measurement is by triangulation.

So a pile of counters in a cube could find the direction of the particles 
and thus where coincident particles originated from.

Merry Christmas


"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:8b528b31-761c-4b79-8f96-c1f254186ab6@r60g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 24, 2:52 pm, "Dirk Van de moortel" <dirkvandemoor...@ThankS-NO-
> SperM.hotmail.com> wrote in sci.physics.relativity:
>> "Abonito" <anonym...@noserver.com> wrote:
>> > Relativity Geometry
>> > Relativity - Affine Geometry ?
>> > Einstein's special theory of relativity is about measurements between 
>> > frames
>> > of reference in a state of non acceleration.
>>
>> Not really. Special relativity can work with accelerated
>> objects and frames, but never mind.
>>
>> > It is an observation that the
>> > velocity of light is independent of the relative velocity between 
>> > observer
>> > and the source. From this Lorenz postulated a length contraction to 
>> > allow
>> > for this. Einstein derived the same equation from the observations.
>> > If you look at this equation there is no special frame so any frame may 
>> > be
>> > taken as the reference frame.
>> > Let us consider the passage of mesons from the origin in the upper
>> > atmosphere to their arrival at a counter on the earth's surface. The
>> > observer "sees" the origin from his frame and since he is "looking" at 
>> > the
>> > meson then this point is only a few feet above the laboratory roof 
>> > because
>> > of the Lorenz contraction.
>>
>> No, not at all.
>> The observer on the ground knows that and where in the upper
>> atmosphere muons (and other stuff) are created. Also knowing
>> how short muons live on the average, he calculates that there
>> are much more muons reaching the ground than expected.
>> It turns out that if the "internal muon lifetime clocks" are slowed
>> down by the precisely the amount described by the equations,
>> the number that reaches the ground fits the expected value.
>> This is "time dilation" in action.
>
> Moortel Moortel what you call "how short muons live on average" your
> masters used to call "muon lifetime at rest". But they don't even
> mention it anymore. Why? Because people now know that this "muon
> lifetime at rest" is one of the greatest frauds ever devised by
> Einstein criminal cult:
>
> http://groups.google.ca/group/sci.physics.relativity/browse_frm/thread/69ad1af61851c041?
>
> When the lifetime "at rest" is measured, by "at rest" Einstein
> criminal cult mean a crash undergone by the muon in which its speed
> changes from about 300000km/s to zero. That crash is so terrible that
> the muon "dies" quickly, much more quickly than muons that have not
> undergone the crash:
>
> http://web.mit.edu/c_hill/www/muons_paper.pdf
> "In this experiment, we measure two of the basic properties of the
> muon, namely, its mean lifetime and mass in its rest frame. We measure
> the decay curve of cosmic-ray muons that have come to rest in a
> plastic scintillator by looking for electrons produced in their
> decay."
>
> Pentcho Valev
> pvalev@yahoo.com