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Article #5923Re: I am confused by relativity
From: Chris
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:38
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:38
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This would mean that the twin paradox does not occur. -- Chris (=Abonito) http://www.myphilosophy.eu "Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:8b528b31-761c-4b79-8f96-c1f254186ab6@r60g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... > On Dec 24, 2:52 pm, "Dirk Van de moortel" <dirkvandemoor...@ThankS-NO- > SperM.hotmail.com> wrote in sci.physics.relativity: >> "Abonito" <anonym...@noserver.com> wrote: >> > Relativity Geometry >> > Relativity - Affine Geometry ? >> > Einstein's special theory of relativity is about measurements between >> > frames >> > of reference in a state of non acceleration. >> >> Not really. Special relativity can work with accelerated >> objects and frames, but never mind. >> >> > It is an observation that the >> > velocity of light is independent of the relative velocity between >> > observer >> > and the source. From this Lorenz postulated a length contraction to >> > allow >> > for this. Einstein derived the same equation from the observations. >> > If you look at this equation there is no special frame so any frame may >> > be >> > taken as the reference frame. >> > Let us consider the passage of mesons from the origin in the upper >> > atmosphere to their arrival at a counter on the earth's surface. The >> > observer "sees" the origin from his frame and since he is "looking" at >> > the >> > meson then this point is only a few feet above the laboratory roof >> > because >> > of the Lorenz contraction. >> >> No, not at all. >> The observer on the ground knows that and where in the upper >> atmosphere muons (and other stuff) are created. Also knowing >> how short muons live on the average, he calculates that there >> are much more muons reaching the ground than expected. >> It turns out that if the "internal muon lifetime clocks" are slowed >> down by the precisely the amount described by the equations, >> the number that reaches the ground fits the expected value. >> This is "time dilation" in action. > > Moortel Moortel what you call "how short muons live on average" your > masters used to call "muon lifetime at rest". But they don't even > mention it anymore. Why? Because people now know that this "muon > lifetime at rest" is one of the greatest frauds ever devised by > Einstein criminal cult: > > http://groups.google.ca/group/sci.physics.relativity/browse_frm/thread/69ad1af61851c041? > > When the lifetime "at rest" is measured, by "at rest" Einstein > criminal cult mean a crash undergone by the muon in which its speed > changes from about 300000km/s to zero. That crash is so terrible that > the muon "dies" quickly, much more quickly than muons that have not > undergone the crash: > > http://web.mit.edu/c_hill/www/muons_paper.pdf > "In this experiment, we measure two of the basic properties of the > muon, namely, its mean lifetime and mass in its rest frame. We measure > the decay curve of cosmic-ray muons that have come to rest in a > plastic scintillator by looking for electrons produced in their > decay." > > Pentcho Valev > pvalev@yahoo.com
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