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Article #6018Re: Fallacious Notion of Spacetime Continuum in Relativity
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:18
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:18
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On Dec 12, 1:18 am, Tom Roberts <tjroberts...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > GSS wrote: > > Post Relativity generations of Physicists and Mathematicians consider > > the spacetime continuum to be a physical entity which can even be > > deformed and curved. [...] > > No. Not even close. > > We consider the spacetime manifold to be a MODEL of the world (or of > interesting imaginary worlds), and to accurately model what we observe > that manifold must have intrinsic curvature corresponding to gravitation. > > Tom Roberts But you are ready to abandon your MODEL as soon as it stops bringing you money and power aren't you Roberts Roberts: http://groups.google.ca/group/sci.physics/browse_frm/thread/40698de7cd7bdfb0? Tom Roberts, August 25: "IMHO it is the whole concept of "manifold" that is at most risk of becoming obsolete in future theories. That is, I strongly suspect that at the Planck scale the fundamental structure of the world is not continuous." In other words Roberts Roberts, you will abandon your MODEL as soon as Einstein zombie world eventually comes to realize that Einstein's 1954 prediction is in fact today's sad reality: http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/pdf/files/975547d7-2d00-433a-b7e3-4a09145525ca.pdf Albert Einstein: "I consider it entirely possible that physics cannot be based upon the field concept, that is on continuous structures. Then nothing will remain of my whole castle in the air, including the theory of gravitation, but also nothing of the rest of contemporary physics." Bryan Wallace is also relevant here: http://www.ekkehard-friebe.de/wallace.htm Bryan Wallace: "I expect that the scientists of the future will consider the dominant abstract physics theories of our time in much the same light as we now consider the Medieval theories of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin or that the Earth stands still and the Universe moves around it." Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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X-Google-Thread: 10f545,cf4aecfee7906866 X-Google-Thread: 10b271,cf4aecfee7906866 X-Google-Thread: fa4c1,709ac901407b32c4,start X-Google-Thread: 1139f8,709ac901407b32c4,start X-Google-Thread: f55d3,709ac901407b32c4,start X-Google-Attributes: gid10f545,gid10b271,gidfa4c1,gid1139f8,gidf55d3,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics, fr.sci.physique, fr.sci.maths, fr.sci.philo Subject: Re: Fallacious Notion of Spacetime Continuum in Relativity Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:18:16 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 46 Message-ID: <69740ed3-046c-4f56-a067-6ecaccb9c063@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com> References: <fcf5c9f8-b449-44e3-a125-f618021ae648@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <BVE7j.23909$4V6.16015@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 85.91.141.163 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1197451097 24321 127.0.0.1 (12 Dec 2007 09:18:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:18:17 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com; posting-host=85.91.141.163; posting-account=Lz-LbgoAAABPDavKeW-eYeobwLHD_cvQ User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.30),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)