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Article #6020Re: "The Limitations of Mathematics in Physics"
From: mL
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:53
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:53
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AKGMJC@gmail.com wrote: > On Dec 11, 7:08 pm, mL <mL.bey...@elsewhere.xxx> wrote: >> AKG...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> ... >> >>> Einstein did not understand secondary school mathematics just like all >>> other Einsteinians. >> .. and the evidence for that statement is ? >> >>> Secondary school students learn that >>> (x^2-y^2)/(x-y)=x+y only under the restriction that x is not equal to - >>> y. >> .. so what? > Did you know it? Why do you bring up a triviality? > If you did why did you not see that c+c=c is not a > theorem of SR? You have to practice some logic to reword that sentence. . >>> All results of SR which uses LT are under the speed limit restriction >>> that v<c. The relativistic addition of speed is under this >>> restriction. Yet Einstein set v=c to "deduce" a "revolutionary" result >>> c+c=c. >> Where did he do that? You're advised to give a reference! > > Ah, you did not know it! Read any elementary textt book on relativity > theory. It is advatised as a "revoultion" of Einstein! . I've read some text books on relativity, but none of them "deduce" c+c=c -- so you are either using faulty logic or lying. >>> Einstein did not understand the difference between having a quantity >>> which is zero and not having a qunatity. For example a photon which >>> does not stop has not rest mass. But Einstein asserted that it has a >>> rest mass which is zero. They are different things. For example, in >>> scondary school maths teaches that having no slope means the line is >>> vertical and having zero slope means that the line is horizontal. For >>> Mr. EDinstein, there was no difference between horizontal lines and >>> vertical lines. >> More unsupported statements. Apparently you just make up things. > I made nothing up. You do not undertsand the logic. A new make up. You contradict yourself. > Having no slope > and having slope which is zero are totally different things! The same > applies to having no rest mass and having restmass which is zero. > Einstein could not see this difference. As photon has no rest frame, > in SR, photon should not have rest mass. This is different from that > photon has rest mass and it is zero! Just clear thinking chap. .. "clear thinking", give me a break. >>> It is this type of elementary errors Einstein made, .. >> .. no examples provided -- only rarified steamware > > Why we need evidences. This is concerned about the theory SR itself. > It is known as meta theory of SR. You must learn the distinction > between empirical issues and metaptheoretical issues. You are not > ready for participating in a huigh powered discussion like this .. "a huigh powered discussion like this" -- that's a good one! >>> ... which are >>> consistent to his reputation as a secondary school maths student, >>> which makes us suspect the entire theory of SR. >> .. and these 'us'es are? Once again, who (besides you) share that opinion? Name them! > The standard of mathematical education now is way more ahead of > Einstein's time. Even a good undergarduate maths student is way more > advanced mathematically than Einstein or Minkowski. Apparently you are not fit to judge. > Some worship Einstein and Minkowski. Pity. Who? -- but as you said: "Why we need evidences" /mel
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