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Article #6276EINSTEINIANS TAKE CONTROL OF SUPERLUMINAL SIGNALS
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:32
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:32
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Einsteinians know their criminal cult is eternal but still too many references to superluminal signals make them nervous; in such cases they stop singing "Divine Einstein" and fill Einstein zombie world with the scornful "pfffft hahahahahaha": http://arstechnica.com/journals/science.ars/2007/10/16/how-a-superluminal-experiment-should-be-conducted How a superluminal experiment should be conducted By Chris Lee | Published: October 16, 2007 - 03:30PM CT "A couple of months ago we reported on an arXiv paper that reported superluminal pulse propagation [Nimtz' paper]. The paper was such a steaming pile of science that our report amounted to something along the lines of "pfffft hahahahahaha." The reason was that the researchers did not give a detailed explanation of their experimental setup, did not present any data other than a rather vague "about 2ps," and didn't try to make a distinction between the group velocity and the phase velocity. To examine these sorts of experiments, let me give you a short introduction to the propagation of light. Light has two speeds associated with it: phase velocity, and group velocity. When Einstein formulated special relativity, he did it using the empirically observed evidence that the phase velocity of light was constant for all observers. The conclusion was that the phase velocity of light in vacuum was the fastest speed possible. Today, I am pleased to be able to give an example of superluminal experiments done right. In work published in Physical Review A, a group of researchers from NIST and the Wuhan Institute of Physics and Mathematics...." So zombies should learn by rote that in 1905 Einstein postulated the PHASE VELOCITY was constant, not the group velocity. If he had said the GROUP VELOCITY was constant - then, OK, superluminal signals would refute relativity - but fortunately Einstein did not say so. Zombies should also know that only superluminal experiments published in in Physical Review A matter - superluminal experiments published anywhere else deserve, by definition, "pfffft hahahahahaha". Finally, zombies should never ask the following question: Can superluminal signals refute relativity as implied in textbook problems like the following one: http://isites.harvard.edu/fs/docs/icb.topic193296.files/chap11.pdf pp. 41-42: 11.6. Train in a tunnel ** "A train and a tunnel both have proper lengths L. The train moves toward the tunnel at speed v. A bomb is located at the front of the train. The bomb is designed to explode when the front of the train passes the far end of the tunnel. A deactivation sensor is located at the back of the train. When the back of the train passes the near end of the tunnel, the sensor tells the bomb to disarm itself. Does the bomb explode?" p. 57: "Therefore, the far end of the tunnel passes the front of the train before the near end passes the back, so the bomb explodes. We can, however, also look at things in the frame of the tunnel (see Fig. 11.53). Here the tunnel has length L, and the train is length- contracted down to L/gamma. Therefore, the deactivation device gets triggered before the front of the train passes the far end of the tunnel, so you might think that the bomb does not explode. We appear to have a paradox. The resolution to this paradox is that the deactivation device cannot instantaneously tell the bomb to deactivate itself. It takes a finite time for the signal to travel the length of the train from the sensor to the bomb. And it turns out that this transmission time makes it impossible for the deactivation signal to get to the bomb before the bomb gets to the far end of the tunnel, no matter how fast the train is moving. Let's show this. The signal has the best chance of winning this "race" if it has speed c....." Pentcho Valev
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