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Article #6331Re: INCONSISTENCY IN CLASSICAL ELECTROSTATICS
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:14
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:14
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The theory is based on the assumption that all of the forces are CONSERVATIVE: W. Panofsky, M. Phillips, Classical Electricity and Magnetism, Addison- Wesley, Reading, Massachusetts (1962): p.96: "By assembling these charges we have changed the energy of the system, and since all of the forces are conservative, we can identify this expression for the work of assembly with the energy of the system." p.102: "The resultant energy expression is nevertheless general, since no nonconservative forces are involved." p.103: "We must remember that the only physical fact underlying this discussion is Coulomb's law, the remainder of the discusion being mathematical, and therefore we cannot expect to obtain any physical concept regarding the mechanical interaction of charges which will add any physical facts beyond Coulomb's law." Yet the fact that NONCONSERVATIVE forces are unavoidably involved is implicitly taken into account: W. Panofsky, M. Phillips, Classical Electricity and Magnetism, Addison- Wesley, Reading, Massachusetts (1962): p.100: "Thus we cannot equate the increment of the work done... to the increase in total energy, since heat transfers are also involved." p.115: "Therefore the decrease in force... cannot be explained by electrical forces alone." pp.115-116: "Thus the decrease in force that is experienced between two charges when they are immersed in a dielectric liquid can be understood only by considering the effect of the pressure of the liquid on the charges themselves. In accordance with the philosophy of the action-at-a-distance theory, no change in the purely electrical interaction between the charges takes place." Another description of a non-conservative force in an electrostatic system: http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Electromagnetic-Theory-Modern-Perspective/dp/0763738271 Introduction to Electromagnetic Theory: A Modern Perspective by Tai Chow p. 267: "Calculations of the forces between charged conductors immersed in a liquid dielectric always show that the force is reduced by the factor K. There is a tendency to think of this as representing a reduction in the electrical forces between the charges on the conductors, as though Coulomb's law for the interaction of two charges should have the dielectric constant included in its denominator. This is incorrect, however. The strictly electric forces between charges on the conductors are not influenced by the presence of the dielectric medium. The medium is polarized, however, and the interaction of the electric field with the polarized medium results in an INCREASED FLUID PRESSURE ON THE CONDUCTORS that reduces the net forces acting on them." Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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