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On a sunny day (Sat, 02 May 2009 11:38:39 -0500) it happened John J
<nohj@droffats.ten> wrote in <FY2dnXD90tmM6mHUnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@supernews.com>:

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>http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/05/extremelaser/
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>I don't know if the above has yet been cited. Perhaps it is relevant to 
>this thread.

Just for fun, this 100% confirms what I argued in this thread:
 http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_thread/thread/70d243d8214157d2/a74f2e9e56736187?lnk=gst&q=panteltje+photoelectric+effect#a74f2e9e56736187

For electrons closer to the atom's core, their own resonance frequency is higher.
So when you shine very high frequency light on it, in the right frequency range,
_only_ those will be ejected... [that match that frequency range].

So I sort of predicted that 24 August 2005 in sci.physics.

A quote from some of what I wrote that in link:

I actually started to dream about this, did not happen for many 
years, last time was in my school days, when I dreamt I was an electron 
that traveled through all the components ... After that I 
never had any problem understanding electronics.... 

So, then when I woke up and this problem was first on my mind, like 
equations flying by... I though HEY that is the solution again. 
The main problem was how to create the freak wave that expelled the 
electron from orbit as a result of the incoming EM radiation, 
with the right kinetic energy. 

Now think you are sitting inside (small space I know ;-) ) the electron. 
Also assume for the sake of argument a simple Bohr like orbit (later 
we will see it also holds for more complicated ones). 

)                     A 
 )                e 
  )              B    N    D 
 ) 
)                     C 

In this drawing (use fixed width font) N is the nucleus of the atom. 
e is you in the electron, and A, B, C and D are points on the orbit. 
So think flat 2D plane for a moment. 
The waves of the left are the incoming light EM radiation. 

Now L. De Broglie [3] states that an electron has associated with it its 
own frequency. 
When you think about that a bit, you could call that its 'resonance' 
frequency (or rather its resonance). 
This is an important observation / understanding. 

So you are in capsule e with a resonant frequency fe. 
As you move at (near relativistic?) speed v from A to B (circle) you will 
see the frequency of the incoming light change (Doppler). 
Use relativistic formula if you like. 

You have probably been in a bus, and the driver had this foot of the gas, 
and everything started vibrating badly, you had to protect your notebook's 
hard disk by holding it in you hand, and he would do that at every traffic 
light ;-). 

You are in an electron, and it is sensitive to those electromagnetic waves, 
and starts moving with these. 

So, anyways, you experience some vibration, and at some point between A and C 
the frequency YOU see from the incoming light is the same as your resonance 
frequency, your capsule starts vibrating wildly only limited 
by the amplitude of the incoming light, and you are ejected from orbit, 
with the kinetic energy transferred from that light. 

This sets a minimum required value for the incoming light frequency. 

If you are a mathematimagician and make it to Sweden with this before I 
do, then you are required at least to: 
1) mention Jan Panteltje as the one who came up with this solution. 
2) Wear my lake on mars tshirt when receiving the prize. 
   http://panteltje.com/panteltje/space/mars/lake2colordetail.jpg 
3) Gimme all the money. 

FYI readings: 
Photo electric effect: 
http://theory.uwinnipeg.ca/physics/quant/node3.html 

[1] What not: 
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/mod1.html#c3 

[2] Materials work function 
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/tables/photoelec.html 

[3] L. De Broglie's 1923 Comptes rendus Note 
http://www.davis-inc.com/physics/broglie/broglie.shtml

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Of course I want no Nobel, and I hope I do not qualify, as peace prize
is given to mass murderers on political grounds, the same grounds
the Einstein got his: political ones.

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