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Article #7143Re: EXPERIMENTAL ARGUMENTS AGAINST SPECIAL RELATIVITY?
From: Androcles
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:34
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:34
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"Danny Milano" <milanodanny@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:e99577a3-3439-4bd8-8f40-0abfa68ea377@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com... On Jul 12, 2:42 am, PD <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 11, 8:58 am, Danny Milano <milanoda...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > But you said earlier that there is no way to know whether time, > > length distort or it is just some misunderstood additional > > newtonian parameters which made it that way. What is > > really the case? > > No, what I said is that some *cranks* think that way, that Newtonian > physics is fine if we would only find the right forces to include in > Newton's equations of motion. This is based on a rather naive > presumption that Newton's laws can fit *any* phenomenon, if the right > parameters are put in. This turns out to be decidedly NOT the case, > which a little bit of concentrated investigation will prove out. There > are a number of things that are seen in nature which are *impossible* > to generate in Newtonian mechanics, even if tricked-out. > > PD It seems that anti-relativists would go to any length to debunk time dilation, length contraction at the cost of even weirder mechanisms. In your years of experience with them. Do yo think anti-relativists are purely newtonian? Or do anti-relativists still believe in quantum mechanics "now you see it, now you don't" foundations? Because if anti-relativists are quantum followers. They could propose creatures that can control quantum probability (call it fairies) that can create the same predictions and observations as time dilation, length contraction in physical stuff. This is the only way I think they can explain the same relativistic experiments. But if anti-relativists don't believe in fairies and they don't think time and length can distort and just believe in absolute space and absolute time, there seems no way to pull off those SR, GR experimental stunts, isn't it... unless anti-relativists are aetherists. Are they? In essence, how many percentage approximately of anti-relativists believe in quantum mechanics and how many percentage approx. believe in the aether and how many percentage believe in neither of them. I'd like to have rough idea of how their brains work. Danny Why not ask them instead of the idiot PD? Oh wait... that would too easy, right? Go on, ask a thief how a copper's mind works. Idiot.
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