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Article #7142Re: Herbert Dingle asks Einsteinians
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:10
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:10
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On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 10:18:54 +0100, "Androcles" <Headmaster@Hogwarts.physics> wrote: > >"harry" <harald.vanlintelButNotThis@epfl.ch> wrote in message >news:487864d2$1_4@news.bluewin.ch... >| >| "Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote in message >| news:1ae928c7-e961-4427-9317-988648899adb@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... >| > http://blog.hasslberger.com/Dingle_SCIENCE_at_the_Crossroads.pdf >| > Herbert Dingle, SCIENCE AT THE CROSSROADS >| > p.27: "According to the special relativity theory, as expounded by >| > Einstein in his original paper, two similar, regularly-running clocks, >| > A and B, in uniform relative motion, must work at different >| > rates.....How is the slower-working clock distinguished? The >| > supposition that the theory merely requires each clock to APPEAR to >| > work more slowly from the point of view of the other is ruled out not >| > only by its many applications and by the fact that the theory would >| > then be useless in practice, but also by Einstein's own examples, of >| > which it is sufficient to cite the one best known and most often >| > claimed to have been indirectly established by experiment, viz. >| > 'Thence' [i.e. from the theory he had just expounded, which takes no >| > account of possible effects of accleration, gravitation, or any >| > difference at all between the clocks except their state of uniform >| > motion] 'we conclude that a balance-clock at the equator must go more >| > slowly, by a very small amount, than a precisely similar clock >| > situated at one of the poles under otherwise identical conditions.' >| > Applied to this example, the question is: what entitled Einstein to >| > conclude FROM HIS THEORY that the equatorial, and not the polar, clock >| > worked more slowly?" >| >| http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/ : >| >| Par. 1 >| "Let us take a system of co-ordinates in which [in first approximation] >the >| equations of Newtonian mechanics hold good." >| >| Par.4: >| "From this there ensues the following peculiar consequence. If at the >points >| A and B of K there are stationary clocks which, viewed in the stationary >| system, are synchronous; and if the clock at A is moved with the velocity >v >| along the line AB to B, then on its arrival at B the two clocks no longer >| synchronize, but the clock moved from A to B lags behind the other which >has >| remained at B by (up to magnitudes of fourth and higher order), t being >the >| time occupied in the journey from A to B. >| It is at once apparent that this result still holds good if the clock >moves >| from A to B in any polygonal line, and also when the points A and B >| coincide. >| If we assume that the result proved for a polygonal line is also valid for >a >| continuously curved line, we arrive at this result: If one of two >| synchronous clocks at A is moved in a closed curve with constant velocity >| until it returns to A, the journey lasting t seconds, then by the clock >| which has remained at rest the travelled clock on its arrival at A will be >| second slow. Thence we conclude that a balance-clock at the equator must >go >| more slowly, by a very small amount, than a precisely similar clock >situated >| at one of the poles under otherwise identical conditions." >| >| Harald > >Which doesn't work, since it is a simple matter to place an atomic clock >( not just an old wind-up bedside alarm clock) at the Polar Halley Research >Station > http://www.antarctica.ac.uk//living_and_working/research_stations/halley/ >and compare it with the GPS or any other near equatorial location. >So much for your whining "inertial". >Test of SR: failed. > >You get an F, fuckhead. > > http://www.aticourses.com/global_positioning_system.htm RELATIVITY The precision of GPS measurements is so great that it requires the application of Albert Einstein�s special and general theories of relativity for the reduction of its measurements. Professor Carroll Alley of the University of Maryland once articulated the significance of this fact at a scientific conference devoted to time measurement in 1979. He said, �I think it is appropriate ... to realize that the first practical application of Einstein�s ideas in actual engineering situations are with us in the fact that clocks are now so stable that one must take these small effects into account in a variety of systems that are now undergoing development or are actually in use in comparing time worldwide. It is no longer a matter of scientific interest and scientific application, but it has moved into the realm of engineering necessity.� According to relativity theory, a moving clock appears to run slow with respect to a similar clock that is at rest. This effect is called �time dilation.� In addition, a clock in a weaker gravitational potential appears to run fast in comparison to one that is in a stronger gravitational potential. This gravitational effect is known in general as the �red shift� (only in this case it is actually a �blue shift�). GPS satellites revolve around the earth with a velocity of 3.874 km/s at an altitude of 20,184 km. Thus on account of the its velocity, a satellite clock appears to run slow by 7 microseconds per day when compared to a clock on the earth�s surface. But on account of the difference in gravitational potential, the satellite clock appears to run fast by 45 microseconds per day. The net effect is that the clock appears to run fast by 38 microseconds per day. This is an enormous rate difference for an atomic clock with a precision of a few nanoseconds. Thus to compensate for this large secular rate, the clocks are given a rate offset prior to satellite launch of - 4.465 parts in 1010 from their nominal frequency of 10.23 MHz so that on average they appear to run at the same rate as a clock on the ground. The actual frequency of the satellite clocks before launch is thus 10.22999999543 MHz. Although the GPS satellite orbits are nominally circular, there is always some residual eccentricity. The eccentricity causes the orbit to be slightly elliptical, and the velocity and altitude vary over one revolution. Thus, although the principal velocity and gravitational effects have been compensated by a rate offset, there remains a slight residual variation that is proportional to the eccentricity. For example, with an orbital eccentricity of 0.02 there is a relativistic sinusoidal variation in the apparent clock time having an amplitude of 46 nanoseconds. This correction must be calculated and taken into account in the GPS receiver. The displacement of a receiver on the surface of the earth due to the earth�s rotation in inertial space during the time of flight of the signal must also be taken into account. This is a third relativistic effect that is due to the universality of the speed of light. The maximum correction occurs when the receiver is on the equator and the satellite is on the horizon. The time of flight of a GPS signal from the satellite to a receiver on the earth is then 86 milliseconds and the correction to the range measurement resulting from the receiver displacement is 133 nanoseconds. An analogous correction must be applied by a receiver on a moving platform, such as an aircraft or another satellite. This effect, as interpreted by an observer in the rotating frame of reference of the earth, is called the Sagnac effect. It is also the basis for a laser ring gyro in an inertial navigation system.
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