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Article #7141Re: Herbert Dingle asks Einsteinians
From: Androcles
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 09:18
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 09:18
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"harry" <harald.vanlintelButNotThis@epfl.ch> wrote in message news:487864d2$1_4@news.bluewin.ch... | | "Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote in message | news:1ae928c7-e961-4427-9317-988648899adb@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... | > http://blog.hasslberger.com/Dingle_SCIENCE_at_the_Crossroads.pdf | > Herbert Dingle, SCIENCE AT THE CROSSROADS | > p.27: "According to the special relativity theory, as expounded by | > Einstein in his original paper, two similar, regularly-running clocks, | > A and B, in uniform relative motion, must work at different | > rates.....How is the slower-working clock distinguished? The | > supposition that the theory merely requires each clock to APPEAR to | > work more slowly from the point of view of the other is ruled out not | > only by its many applications and by the fact that the theory would | > then be useless in practice, but also by Einstein's own examples, of | > which it is sufficient to cite the one best known and most often | > claimed to have been indirectly established by experiment, viz. | > 'Thence' [i.e. from the theory he had just expounded, which takes no | > account of possible effects of accleration, gravitation, or any | > difference at all between the clocks except their state of uniform | > motion] 'we conclude that a balance-clock at the equator must go more | > slowly, by a very small amount, than a precisely similar clock | > situated at one of the poles under otherwise identical conditions.' | > Applied to this example, the question is: what entitled Einstein to | > conclude FROM HIS THEORY that the equatorial, and not the polar, clock | > worked more slowly?" | | http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/ : | | Par. 1 | "Let us take a system of co-ordinates in which [in first approximation] the | equations of Newtonian mechanics hold good." | | Par.4: | "From this there ensues the following peculiar consequence. If at the points | A and B of K there are stationary clocks which, viewed in the stationary | system, are synchronous; and if the clock at A is moved with the velocity v | along the line AB to B, then on its arrival at B the two clocks no longer | synchronize, but the clock moved from A to B lags behind the other which has | remained at B by (up to magnitudes of fourth and higher order), t being the | time occupied in the journey from A to B. | It is at once apparent that this result still holds good if the clock moves | from A to B in any polygonal line, and also when the points A and B | coincide. | If we assume that the result proved for a polygonal line is also valid for a | continuously curved line, we arrive at this result: If one of two | synchronous clocks at A is moved in a closed curve with constant velocity | until it returns to A, the journey lasting t seconds, then by the clock | which has remained at rest the travelled clock on its arrival at A will be | second slow. Thence we conclude that a balance-clock at the equator must go | more slowly, by a very small amount, than a precisely similar clock situated | at one of the poles under otherwise identical conditions." | | Harald Which doesn't work, since it is a simple matter to place an atomic clock ( not just an old wind-up bedside alarm clock) at the Polar Halley Research Station http://www.antarctica.ac.uk//living_and_working/research_stations/halley/ and compare it with the GPS or any other near equatorial location. So much for your whining "inertial". Test of SR: failed. You get an F, fuckhead.
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