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Article #7330Re: VIOLATION OF THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS
From: dedanoe
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 11:21
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 11:21
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On Oct 1, 7:56 am, Helmut Wabnig <.... .-- .- -... -. .. --. @ .- --- -. dot .- - > wrote: > On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:25:05 -0700, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > > > > >http://www.physorg.com/news110191847.html > >"When exposed to a high-voltage electric field, water in two beakers > >climbs out of the beakers and crosses empty space to meet, forming the > >water bridge. The liquid bridge, hovering in space, appears to the > >human eye to defy gravity." > > >In a strong electrical field water dipoles are ordered in such a way > >that thermal agitation of molecules causes a SPECIFIC PRESSURE inside > >the liquid. In certain experiments this specific pressure can lift > >water: the energy needed for lifting is in fact heat absorbed from the > >surroundings. If lifted water is allowed to leave the field (for > >instance, when water has been lifted between the plates of a > >capacitor, the specific pressure could push it through a hole in one > >of the plates), the liquid will form, ideally, an eternal waterfall > >outside the strong field. Perhaps the device cannot be of any > >practical use as a heat engine but still it violates the second law of > >thermodynamics. > > >Pentcho Valev > > Where do you see a violation? > > It's at best a nice trick to lift water electrostatically, > but nowhere you gain anything in terms of energy > or entropy. > > w.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - the second law of thermodynamics says no system can work with exactly 100% efficiency. that contradicts the conservation laws. when the 2nd law of TD is on duty you cannot apply the conservation laws.
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