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Re: VIOLATION OF THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS

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From: Puppet_Sock
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:18
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On Oct 1, 7:21 am, dedanoe <deda...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> the second law of thermodynamics says no system can work with exactly
> 100% efficiency.

No, it most certainly does not. Indeed, in some very fun
circumstances,
there are situations in which systems can work with much more than
100 percent efficiency. There is, for example, this lovely fuel cell
with
exotic materials that works at more than 100  percent efficiency. It's
just that it's only over 100 percent on the side of the cycle that
uses
the fuel. The side that produces the fuel requires a lot more energy
input, and the net of a closed cycle is much less than 100 percent.

The 2nd law talks about entropy. This can be related to efficiency,
but only in certain conditions. One example is a heat engine working
between two different temperature volumes. It cannot be easily
related to efficiency in the general case. Thus "no system" is
not the correct basis of stating the 2nd law.

> that contradicts the conservation laws.

The 2nd law most certainly does not contradict conservation laws.
Energy, for example, is conserved in thermodynamics.

> when the 2nd law of TD is on duty you cannot apply the conservation
> laws.

You do not seem to understand this at all. The 2nd law is *always*
true.
If it contradicted conservation laws, there would be none.
Socks
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Subject: Re: VIOLATION OF THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS
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