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Article #7334Re: VIOLATION OF THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS
From: Helmut Wabnig
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 05:56
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 05:56
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:25:05 -0700, Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote: >http://www.physorg.com/news110191847.html >"When exposed to a high-voltage electric field, water in two beakers >climbs out of the beakers and crosses empty space to meet, forming the >water bridge. The liquid bridge, hovering in space, appears to the >human eye to defy gravity." > >In a strong electrical field water dipoles are ordered in such a way >that thermal agitation of molecules causes a SPECIFIC PRESSURE inside >the liquid. In certain experiments this specific pressure can lift >water: the energy needed for lifting is in fact heat absorbed from the >surroundings. If lifted water is allowed to leave the field (for >instance, when water has been lifted between the plates of a >capacitor, the specific pressure could push it through a hole in one >of the plates), the liquid will form, ideally, an eternal waterfall >outside the strong field. Perhaps the device cannot be of any >practical use as a heat engine but still it violates the second law of >thermodynamics. > >Pentcho Valev Where do you see a violation? It's at best a nice trick to lift water electrostatically, but nowhere you gain anything in terms of energy or entropy. w.
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