🚀 go-pugleaf

RetroBBS NetNews Server

Inspired by RockSolid Light RIP Retro Guy

Article View: sci.physics.relativity
Article #7369

Re: Rest mass

#7369
From: rick_sobie
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:09
101 lines
7750 bytes
On Jul 21, 8:51 pm, rick_so...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 21, 8:28 pm, rick_so...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > > > And I say that because if you happen to see one do that and claim that
> > > > is what you saw, who am I to say that you are nuts, if you see it do
> > > > that, see it land, then touch it, it is real and you burn your hand.
> > > > I am just saying that there is no proof of that and it seems
> > > > impossible according to our level of understanding.
>
> > > You see if you can see it? If you can see the ship, it is giving off
> > > waves isn't it?
> > > So light has no resistance in the foam, but dark energy waves, other
> > > waves in the spectrum, larger waves do add up and will push against
> > > the air molecules, and the skin, from the nuclei, of your ship, will
> > > press against the skin of the quantum foam bubbles.
> > > So if you bounce radar off it, then you assume it is solid.
> > > So then if radar is bouncing off it, why is the dark energy waves of
> > > the air molecules, which is just more em waves at a different energy,
> > > less energy but the same, not also bouncing off it, and if it does,
> > > then you have a mass problem.
>
> > > Again, take tow strong magnets, and hold like poles in proximity. That
> > > is what it feels like when these waves go against each other.
> > > Granted in a magnet the waves are aligned, but then you are feeling a
> > > small force there.
> > > Travel 6 thousand miles an hour in a several ton ship and do a 90.
> > > No living occupants in that ship.
> > > How could there be?
> > > Anything with mass has momentum.
> > > All that forward momentum, suddenly taking a 90?
> > > Well that is largely why scientists don't believe in flying saucers.
>
> > Could you transfer that momentum, from a forward direction, then take
> > a ninety, and just turn it, so the momentum is still there, but now
> > facing another direction?
> > I a very rapidly spinning disk, you might be able to.
> > And if, you inside of that ship, were not spinning, but an outer shell
> > was spinning, maybe you wouldn't be affected.
> > Or would you be?
> > Step on the gas with your windows up.
> > Do you feel that quantum foam pressing against you?
> > Of course you do.
> > Its everywhere and you are just going through it.
> > It is so small, that it permeates the universe.
> > Since inflation, the whole thing is foam.
> > So regardless of how your ship would handle the air resistance, you
> > have momentum relative to absolute space-time.
> > Yourself. Never mind the ship.
> > The earth drags a lot of it with it as it goes through space, as does
> > the moon and all other massive bodies, but small bodies feel the force
> > of accelerated mass in the form of G's.
> > So in your ship, how do escape the foam?
> > Is it a perfect vacuum? It can't be. Nothing can withstand that
> > pressure, even black holes explode.
> > So even in your flying saucer, you are traveling through foam.
> > Well what if the hull of your ship was solid nuclei like a neutron
> > star.
> > It would weigh as much as the earth then.
> > Its not as if you can just say well maybe our physics is not the right
> > physics it is the right physics and our current models, have been put
> > to the test and never failed even from the smallest imaginable test,
> > like measuring the momentum, of the skin, of a nucleus bubble, hitting
> > the quantum foam, after you drain it.
> > Predicted, proven, and in accordance with theory.
>
> So ok, the earth is plowing through the quantum foam no problem, large
> massive body, displacing a large area, and spinning to help to slough
> it off so it is not hitting it head on.
>
> So your ship then, sends out waves a mile in all directions, pushing
> the quantum foam away from you displacing a large area,
> and  your ship is spinning, to slough off head on wave fronts. It
> can't push the foam away but it can create a low pressure area, so
> that the foam will not bunch up, gain mass and hinder you through it.
> Well if they are real, then there must be some explanation, and maybe
> that could explain it.
> But you would see the clouds displaced if those waves were pushing the
> foam away, they would be pushing the air molecules away as the waves
> would be impacting the skin of the air and water molecules as it
> impacts the skin of the quantum foam.
> So then that leaves super fluid, capable of sloughing off the quantum
> foam in your surroundings, and you must carry your own foam under
> pressure, so you don't decompress and explode.
> The foam you carry with you, is not giving you resistance you don't
> feel G's because it is moving with you in your reference frame.
> The skin of your ship has a superfluid coating, which under all
> circumstances, will slough off the foam outside the ship so it has no
> resistance.
> Maybe even faster than light since if it can slough it off at 25 or 30
> thousand miles per hour, the quantum foam bubbles are not being
> compressed, and if they are not being compressed, the walls of the
> bubbles wouldn't be squished in until the hit each other, which is
> where you would have a problem at the light barrier.
> So all you have to do, is find a way to use the superfluid stuff of
> the universe,  to coat your ship.

This is where the rubber hits the road right here.
Really interesting science.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bose%E2%80%93Einstein_condensate
Technical Details
Message-ID: <1185048540.468713.289390@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
References: <1184313271.795043.94440@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <LvSli.38021$YL5.212@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net> <1184394393.199242.180370@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> <1184396996.855175.254140@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <1185036219.679986.256030@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <1185037882.520430.81090@x40g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <1185039370.439446.33440@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <1185041382.016418.326740@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <1185042132.284869.31020@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <1185042605.612243.283350@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <1185043055.576319.66790@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <1185044235.093332.113180@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <1185046126.188457.146510@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com> <1185047488.811336.172390@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com>

Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
X-Google-Thread: 10f545,26176ef729f272a6
X-Google-Thread: 10b271,f9b17e69bf88ca2d
X-Google-Thread: 104cdc,f9b17e69bf88ca2d
X-Google-Thread: f74ae,f9b17e69bf88ca2d
X-Google-Thread: fa4c1,f9b17e69bf88ca2d
X-Google-Attributes: gid10f545,gid10b271,gid104cdc,gidf74ae,gidfa4c1,public,usenet
X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
From:  rick_sobie@hotmail.com
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.philosophy.tech,sci.astro,fr.sci.physique
Subject: Re: Rest mass
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:09:00 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Lines: 102
Message-ID: <1185048540.468713.289390@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>
References: <1184313271.795043.94440@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>
   <LvSli.38021$YL5.212@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>
   <1184394393.199242.180370@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>
   <1184396996.855175.254140@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>
   <1185036219.679986.256030@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
   <1185037882.520430.81090@x40g2000prg.googlegroups.com>
   <1185039370.439446.33440@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
   <1185041382.016418.326740@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>
   <1185042132.284869.31020@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>
   <1185042605.612243.283350@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>
   <1185043055.576319.66790@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>
   <1185044235.093332.113180@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>
   <1185046126.188457.146510@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com>
   <1185047488.811336.172390@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.68.247.197
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
X-Trace: posting.google.com 1185048541 3315 127.0.0.1 (21 Jul 2007 20:09:01 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:09:01 +0000 (UTC)
In-Reply-To: <1185047488.811336.172390@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.2; en-US; rv:1.8.1.5) Gecko/20070713 Firefox/2.0.0.5,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
Injection-Info: g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.68.247.197;
   posting-account=ps2QrAMAAAA6_jCuRt2JEIpn5Otqf_w0