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Article #7442Re: Was Einstein an 'Irrational Plagiarist'?
From: Juan R.
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:25
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:25
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Bill Hobba ha escrito: > > The relativistc variation of mass, time dilation, length contraction > > were existing before Einstein. > > Einstein simply used then in his June 1905 paper, > > He did not. He derived them is a new and different way. Einstein clarified a lot of the subject and added stuff from own, but how many stuff he simply reused from Lorentz and Poincare? 90% A tendency in recent historical studies (from a few years ago) is that main contributors to relativity were (in order of importance): Poincare and after Lorentz and Einstein (between other authors). > > Even Born has said that Einstein should have given references of the > > existing work. > > Thus every human have limitations. > > Sure - but he was no plagiarist. This only can be addressed after defining that one means by plagiarism. Acording to the Wikipedia: "Plagiarism is the practice of claiming, or implying, original authorship, or incorporating material from someone else's written or creative work in whole or in part, into ones own, without adequate acknowledgment." During his entire life Einstein used formulae and results from others without adequate acknowledgment: call that plagiarism or senility or bad scientific practice or arrogance or anything you want. It is a fact material contained in Einstein papers was not from him. Einstein omited "adequate acknowledgment" with SR and did again with GR years latter. I think that there is no doubt that Einstein is one of fathers of GR, probably the most important one. But it is very difficult to claim that Einstein _is_ the author of SR beyond popular media. Often people found concidences between Einstein SR works and previous works by other authors. Then Einstein in several ocassions was forced to say in public that he did not know those works, defending the _originality_ of his works. For instance, Einstein said he never read POincare previous works There is a problem, however, there is a historical record saying us Einstein said not the true often. Solovine letter sttating Einstein and him both read Poincare 1902 crucial work and _discussed_ before 1905 is very well-known between historian but unknown for physicists and rest of general public. The historian of science Stephen G. Brush stated in Physics Today [December 2001 Volume 54, Number 12]: "The French mathematician Henri Poincaré provided inspiration for both Einstein and Picasso. Einstein read Poincaré's Science and Hypothesis (French edition 1902, German translation 1904) and discussed it with his friends in Bern. He might also have read Poincaré's 1898 article on the measurement of time, in which the synchronization of clocks was discussed-a topic of professional interest to Einstein as a patent examiner." At my best current knowledge, it has not still been historically proven that Einstein also read Poincare 1898 but sound a strong hypotesis. How do you call anyone (Einstein) who read works of others, copy in own works, without citing and after claim that never read?
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