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Article #7491Re: The Simplest Refutation of Special Relativity
From: Sorcerer
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 23:02
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 23:02
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"Dirk Van de moortel" <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:_yzmh.269777$fy5.5777531@phobos.telenet-ops.be... | | "Henri Wilson" <HW@....> wrote in message news:rvflp2ltoun34hcs762k0k596o7b5bu77h@4ax.com... | > On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 20:01:13 GMT, Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> | > wrote: | > | >>Wolfgang G. Gasser wrote: | >>> Two distant observers with each a (transversal) LIGHT CLOCK orbit at a | >>> constant distance around their common center (assumed at rest). | >>> | >>> Special relativity postulates that the light beams in both light clocks | >>> propagate at c relative to both (almost inertially moving) observers. | >> | >>That is the key point -- these observers are NOT moving inertially. The | >>approximation is important (see below), and negates your claims. | >> | >> | >>> This requires that for each observer the clock rate of the opposite clock | >>> CAN be lower than the clock rate of his own clock. | >>> Because of symmetry and unchanging distance, clock rate CANNOT differ. | >> | >>The error is in your gedanken, not in SR itself. | >> | >>For approximately inertial motion, the basic equations of SR are only | >>APPROXIMATELY valid. You ignored the approximation you, yourself, made. | >> | >>At a deeper level, however, such orbiting observers cannot be treated as | >>inertial observers, because a circle is different topologically from a | >>line. In SR's Minkowski spacetime, inertial observers move in straight | >>lines, not in circles, and the basic equations of SR are valid for | >>inertial observers and coordinates. Yes, for a very large radius a | >>circle is approximately a straight line for a small portion of its | >>circumference, but if one uses the fact it is a circle in any way, or | >>uses a large fraction of the circumference, then these are not inertial | >>observers, not even approximately. | > | > So the GPS clocks that you claim prove SR correct move in straight lines do | > they Snipper? | | So the Henry Wilsons that you claim have a physics degree, | don't really have much to show, do they? | http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/ForgedDegree.html | Tue, 02 Jan 2007 20:01:13 GMT, Tom Roberts wrote: "the basic equations of SR are only APPROXIMATELY valid." - Roberts. What a gem! That one is definitely a keeper. "In neither of these frames any form of acceleration is felt", neither one of all three. -- Dork Van de psycho. Didn't they teach you to write English in Belgium? How old are you? HAHAHA!
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