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Article #7510Re: The Simplest Refutation of Special Relativity
From: jem
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 13:45
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 13:45
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Paul Cardinale wrote: > Sorcerer wrote: > >>"Henri Wilson" <HW@....> wrote in message news:rvflp2ltoun34hcs762k0k596o7b5bu77h@4ax.com... >>| On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 20:01:13 GMT, Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> >>| wrote: >>| >>| >Wolfgang G. Gasser wrote: >>| >> Two distant observers with each a (transversal) LIGHT CLOCK orbit at a >>| >> constant distance around their common center (assumed at rest). >>| >> >>| >> Special relativity postulates that the light beams in both light clocks >>| >> propagate at c relative to both (almost inertially moving) observers. >>| > >>| >That is the key point -- these observers are NOT moving inertially. The >>| >approximation is important (see below), and negates your claims. >>| > >>| > >>| >> This requires that for each observer the clock rate of the opposite clock >>| >> CAN be lower than the clock rate of his own clock. >>| >> Because of symmetry and unchanging distance, clock rate CANNOT differ. >>| > >>| >The error is in your gedanken, not in SR itself. >>| > >>| >For approximately inertial motion, the basic equations of SR are only >>| >APPROXIMATELY valid. You ignored the approximation you, yourself, made. >>| > >>| >At a deeper level, however, such orbiting observers cannot be treated as >>| >inertial observers, because a circle is different topologically from a >>| >line. In SR's Minkowski spacetime, inertial observers move in straight >>| >lines, not in circles, and the basic equations of SR are valid for >>| >inertial observers and coordinates. Yes, for a very large radius a >>| >circle is approximately a straight line for a small portion of its >>| >circumference, but if one uses the fact it is a circle in any way, or >>| >uses a large fraction of the circumference, then these are not inertial >>| >observers, not even approximately. >>| >>| So the GPS clocks that you claim prove SR correct move in straight lines do >>| they Snipper? >>| >>| ....You become more of a comedian with every post... >> >>He's like Dork Van de psychopath, fired from his job and >>makes it up as he goes along. >> >>"The basic equations of SR are only APPROXIMATELY valid" > > > Liar. You snipped out the first part of the sentence, leaving a > fragment that is misleading. > You are dishonest, jaw-droppingly stupid, willfully ignorance, > incapable of learning, extemely vulgar, and ugly; in short, you are > putrid vile scum. > Evidently you're only able to see the best in people.
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