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Article #7511Re: The Simplest Refutation of Special Relativity
From: harry
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:45
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:45
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"jem" <xxx@xxx.xxx> wrote in message news:SoOmh.29245$_44.5291@newsfe23.lga... > Paul Cardinale wrote: > >> Sorcerer wrote: >> >>>"Henri Wilson" <HW@....> wrote in message >>>news:rvflp2ltoun34hcs762k0k596o7b5bu77h@4ax.com... >>>| On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 20:01:13 GMT, Tom Roberts >>><tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> >>>| wrote: >>>| >>>| >Wolfgang G. Gasser wrote: >>>| >> Two distant observers with each a (transversal) LIGHT CLOCK orbit at >>>a >>>| >> constant distance around their common center (assumed at rest). >>>| >> >>>| >> Special relativity postulates that the light beams in both light >>>clocks >>>| >> propagate at c relative to both (almost inertially moving) >>>observers. >>>| > >>>| >That is the key point -- these observers are NOT moving inertially. >>>The >>>| >approximation is important (see below), and negates your claims. >>>| > >>>| > >>>| >> This requires that for each observer the clock rate of the opposite >>>clock >>>| >> CAN be lower than the clock rate of his own clock. >>>| >> Because of symmetry and unchanging distance, clock rate CANNOT >>>differ. >>>| > >>>| >The error is in your gedanken, not in SR itself. >>>| > >>>| >For approximately inertial motion, the basic equations of SR are only >>>| >APPROXIMATELY valid. You ignored the approximation you, yourself, >>>made. >>>| > >>>| >At a deeper level, however, such orbiting observers cannot be treated >>>as >>>| >inertial observers, because a circle is different topologically from a >>>| >line. In SR's Minkowski spacetime, inertial observers move in straight >>>| >lines, not in circles, and the basic equations of SR are valid for >>>| >inertial observers and coordinates. Yes, for a very large radius a >>>| >circle is approximately a straight line for a small portion of its >>>| >circumference, but if one uses the fact it is a circle in any way, or >>>| >uses a large fraction of the circumference, then these are not >>>inertial >>>| >observers, not even approximately. >>>| >>>| So the GPS clocks that you claim prove SR correct move in straight >>>lines do >>>| they Snipper? >>>| >>>| ....You become more of a comedian with every post... >>> >>>He's like Dork Van de psychopath, fired from his job and >>>makes it up as he goes along. >>> >>>"The basic equations of SR are only APPROXIMATELY valid" >> >> >> Liar. You snipped out the first part of the sentence, leaving a >> fragment that is misleading. >> You are dishonest, jaw-droppingly stupid, willfully ignorance, >> incapable of learning, extemely vulgar, and ugly; in short, you are >> putrid vile scum. >> > Evidently you're only able to see the best in people. He was badly affected by Sorcerer!
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