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Article #7538Re: The Simplest Refutation of Special Relativity
From: Dirk Van de moortel
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 20:48
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 20:48
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"Henri Wilson" <HW@....> wrote in message news:rvflp2ltoun34hcs762k0k596o7b5bu77h@4ax.com... > On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 20:01:13 GMT, Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> > wrote: > >>Wolfgang G. Gasser wrote: >>> Two distant observers with each a (transversal) LIGHT CLOCK orbit at a >>> constant distance around their common center (assumed at rest). >>> >>> Special relativity postulates that the light beams in both light clocks >>> propagate at c relative to both (almost inertially moving) observers. >> >>That is the key point -- these observers are NOT moving inertially. The >>approximation is important (see below), and negates your claims. >> >> >>> This requires that for each observer the clock rate of the opposite clock >>> CAN be lower than the clock rate of his own clock. >>> Because of symmetry and unchanging distance, clock rate CANNOT differ. >> >>The error is in your gedanken, not in SR itself. >> >>For approximately inertial motion, the basic equations of SR are only >>APPROXIMATELY valid. You ignored the approximation you, yourself, made. >> >>At a deeper level, however, such orbiting observers cannot be treated as >>inertial observers, because a circle is different topologically from a >>line. In SR's Minkowski spacetime, inertial observers move in straight >>lines, not in circles, and the basic equations of SR are valid for >>inertial observers and coordinates. Yes, for a very large radius a >>circle is approximately a straight line for a small portion of its >>circumference, but if one uses the fact it is a circle in any way, or >>uses a large fraction of the circumference, then these are not inertial >>observers, not even approximately. > > So the GPS clocks that you claim prove SR correct move in straight lines do > they Snipper? So the Henry Wilsons that you claim have a physics degree, don't really have much to show, do they? http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/ForgedDegree.html Dirk Vdm
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