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In article <3908-389CD921-10@storefull-174.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
  oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) wrote:
> Again the question:
>        I DO understand the the concept of the Hubble Shift denoting
> acceleration. Really. But AGAIN the question: Our Local Group of
> galaxies is moving in a particular direction, right?

That has got to be so in any case, yes.

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>          Why is there no directionality in the observed redshift?

Basically because ours is an imploding universe and not
an exploding (Big Bang) universe. [There is directionality, but
very little--hopefully the cosmic background radiation will
give us a clearer "sense of diretion" than our current one.]

Galaxies really are receding from each other "mostly" uniformly
in every direction. Although the fact that the universe is imploding
is/may be adding a slight acceleration to its implosion, there are
other factors about this recession which take primacy in an
imploding universe; and none is more important that the fact that
all the "forms" of ordinary matter are shrinking:

Let's use the following thought experiment: There are two
earth-sized planets standing side-by-side (in fact, let's say
they're one inch apart, so anyone standing on either planet
can look at the surface of the companion planet and see
its every least detail clearly with the naked eye).

Suddenly, in the blink of an eye the two planets have shrunk
to a size not much larger than a glass marble. But these two
"marble-sized" planets are now exactly where the centers
of the pre-shrunk planets were... so that "people" on each
of the planets need to use very powerful telescopes to
see as much of "the other" planet as they did before with
their naked eyes.

If the people of these planets do not know that they have
just shrank, they must assume that the two planets "shot"
away from each other at an unimaginable speed (or, at least
one of them did). If they use Doppler on each other's planets
(and the shrinking never stops)... Doppler red-shift will
report NOT that the two planets are shrinking but that
they're speeding away from each other at tremendous rates.
And the same is true even if all they use is a simple visual
perspective... their senses will tell them that the two planets
are moving away from each other extremely quickly.

This is exactly what is happening in our universe, but with
the added proviso that the whole, entire universe itself is
shrinking as a unit... therefore as fast the our two planets
are shrinking "away from each other" they are also "moving"
towards each other just as quickly. The two "motions"
will tend to almost cancel each other... just not to an
absolutely exact degree: Because gravity will always have
a more powerful effect locally than at a distance, the
planets will shrink just slightly faster than they will move
towards each other... and that very, very slight different
will be magnified by distance, of course, so that at
galactic distances it will be observable as the Hubble
constant. You can also speak of this in this manner:
The shrinking of the two planets takes precedence
over their moving towards each other (first they shrink and
then they move towards each other)... this means that
their motions toward each other will lag infinitely behind
their shrinking "away from each other" and thereby comes
the universe by the Hubble constant.

This implosion of the universe is being driven by gravity.
And because it is indeed an implosion, those galaxies
closest to center will always accelerate in the direction
of center slightly faster than the galaxies farthest from
center. However, because, in my opinion, our "bit" of
the universe is very near the edge of the universe: this
acceleration effect will be a very tiny one in our "bit" of
the universe... though I'm convinced that eventually we
will develop the means to accurately estimate even this
tiny factor (so that we may yet  be able to tell which
way is the center of our universe).

Conversely, in a true expanding universe, galaxies will also
recede, of course; but they will also display a tendency to
seem to fall back towards the center of the universe with
respect to us (our own galaxy). And this tells me that in
a true expanding universe "a" center would be more
apparent: This results from the fact that in a true expanding
universe our "trajectory" (from center to edge) would
always seem more direct than the trajectories of all the
other galaxies...

The "BB" opening flower universe: In an expanding universe
our galaxy moves from the center of a clock face straight
up towards the 12, while the rest of the galaxies move from
the center of the clock face towards the other numbers (10,
11, 1, and 2).  Any galaxy which is moving towards the edge
at the same speed as ours and which departed from "a" center
at the same time as ours will reach the edge of the universe
at the same time as ours... however, their "edge" will always
seem "lower in the universe horizon" with the effect that their
"journey" to that edge will seem slower (and once you factor in
the fact that it takes light some time to reach us)... this will tend
to make it seem as if our galaxy is moving faster in one direction
than the rest of the other galaxies (with the exception of those
galaxies which are directly in front of our path and directly
behind us as we travel up to the clock face's 12). The opposite
-observable- effect would be to make it seem as if (except for
the couple of galaxies directly ahead & behind us), to make it
seem as if the rest of the universe were "moving" past us (and
towards the center of the universe). [This, of course, would be
more obvious the smaller the universe--Consequently, even if
we may dismiss our inability to see this "falling behind" effect
due to our universe being so massive... we can still use this
to "prove" a much more massive universe than the tiny one
proposed by the Big Bang theories. Therefore the fact that
our universe does not display this "falling back" effect very
obviously enhances my prediction of a universe much, much
bigger than the current estimates, even if it cannot be used with
absolute confidence to prove an imploding universe--And, I
might add... the bigger the universe THE LESS LIKELY that
it is an exploding one because it increases the demand that its
overall gravity haul the expansion or reverse it altogether; while
there are no practical reasons to limit the size of an imploding
universe... all universe sizes work just as well there--and, in fact,
there is a case to be made for the idea that the bigger the
universe the better it works as an imploding universe model.]

Of course, this "opening flower" scenario is one which can only
occur to someone seriously considering the merits of an imploding
vs and exploding universe--If one just gives a very superfluous "glance"
at the consequences of a true expanding universe many of the most
irrational outcomes of the expanding universe models are very likely
to be missed (or to be too easily dismissed; much the same thing).

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> Along that line
> of
> travel, the region directly "ahead" will be pulling away from us,
> generating a high redshift.

Just a little itty bitty red-shift, no more than Cher's lips in Hell.

> We are also pulling away from the region
> directly "behind" us, so that region will show a lesser redshift.

Just a itty bitty lesser behind (say, not much more than Shelley
Duvall's behind).

> But
> around our belt zone, the region abeam of us, there'll be no redshift
> because we're matching its speed.

If the reason why the red-shift were primarily only a
movement towards center, yes. However only the acceleration
of the Hubble constant is in any significant manner "managed"
by this. The closer "we" are to center the faster we shrink (with
the effect that it tends to cancel out most of the directionality).
See quote above.

> The zero-redshift belt will be
> shifted somewhat back because of the light cone (the time-lag it takes
> its light to get here).

Nope. The recession of the galaxies is REALLY taking place:
The galaxies are moving away from each other: If you really wish
to look into a substantial mystery, try to discover the nature of
the photon: How/why is it able to maintain its perspective with
regard to the rest of the universe's ordinary matter, while "pulling
back" from the speed at which all that ordinary matter is shrinking?
It is really super-efficient at conserving its pool of energy (gravity)?
And, how is it doing it?

>           In addition, in the high-redshift zone 'ahead', the galactic
> field will show a "starburst-in-reverse" effect, as galaxies migrate
> in
> toward a common center. Correct, or no?

Nope: Galaxies are just "forms" of matter And NEVER accumulate
at a center... they just "exist" upon the only fundamental stuff in
the universe, gravity, and cease to exist as soon as there isn't
enough gravity to sustain their existence: Because gravity is being
spent in the "motion" towards center, it is being used up (and
the closer to center the quicker it's being used up)... to a point, of
course: There will come a moment in the journey when gravity
will decrease below a certain level... the "forms" of matter "written/
painted" upon gravity will cease to exist, and whatever little whiffs
of gravity survive will spend aeons more in a very MONSTROUSLY
slow "motions" toward center (very little energy to carry it out)...
and then not just mere utter extinction but the manifestation in the
universe of a repulsive force (or, the exact opposite of gravity).
But at the center of the universe, even now, there is nothing of
gravity--and, if anything, probably its exact opposite.

>            Also, the 'blue zone' in the cosmic background radiation
> <supposedly> denotes our Local Group's proper motion relative to a
> 'fixed point' in space, toward the "Great Attractor".

There is no Great Attractor... gravity is collecting itself, and
moving towards where most of it is. Period. A Great Attractor
at the center of the universe would mean that whatever is moving
there was fundamental WITHOUT itself having to expend any
energy to get there--That's beyond the laws of reality (never mind
those of physics). And so I cannot imagine how I would even begin
to try to make sense of something like that.

> This blue zone
> in
> the CBR should coincide with the high-redshift zone in the galactic
> field (the center of the "reverse starburst"). Yea or nay?
>
>           All the aforementioned should be observed even within the
> shrinking volume of the Implosion. If not, why not, pray tell?
>               Still awaiting enlightenment.

Please don't damage your eyes reading in the dark: Strike
a match of your own! Or, at least, wait until we have a better grasp
on the cosmic background radiation: That new knowledge probably
(hopefully)  will clear a lot of this up

S D Rodrian
sdr@t-three.com
http://members.aol.com/prebigbang


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