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Article #804Re: MAXWELL'S ELECTRODYNAMICS AND THE SPEED OF LIGHT
From: harald
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:11
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:11
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On Jan 20, 9:14 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> According to Maxwell's electrodynamics, the speed of light is
> independent of the speed of the emitter but does depend on the speed
> of the observer (that is, it is inconsistent with Einstein's special
> relativity). Einsteinians know that but they also know that the lie:
>
> "By 1905 Maxwell's electrodynamics had already established that the
> speed of light is independent of the motion of both the emitter
> and the observer"
> is crucial for the existence of Einsteiniana.
What you call a "lie" is merely a confusion due to lack of precision
and misunderstanding of terms. Let me spell it out to you:
According to Maxwell's electrodynamics, the speed of light is c
relative to the vacuum. Consequently, it is independent of the speed
of any objects, be it emitters or receivers ("observers").
That principle (the "light principle") was taken as second postulate.
The essential point (which you may never understand) is that this
principle is only apparently incompatible with the PoR (which was
taken as first postulate); counter-intuitively it turned out to be
possible to find a theory that combines them, and this theory is
called SRT.
Now, in SRT it is common jargon to call an inertial coordinate system
of reference an "observer"; and relative to that "rest" system of
choice the speed of light is taken to be c, by convention. That kind
of speed relative to the chosen "rest" system (commonly called "the
speed") should not be confused (as you do) with the speed relative to
"moving" receivers in Maxwell's electrodynamics; instead it
corresponds to the speed relative to the vacuum in Maxwell's
electrodynamics.
But will you be able to understand that? I wonder...
Harald
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