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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message 
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> On Aug 6, 9:51�am, ben_dolan_...@reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote:
>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>> > On Aug 5, 7:41?pm, ben_dolan_...@reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote:
>> > > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>> > > > The sixth amendment to the Constitution says that the defendant has
>> > > > the right to trial by jury in "all criminal prosecutions". ? The 
>> > > > judge
>> > > > in my case had just denied my right to trial by jury.
>>
>> > > Well, boo fuckin' hoo... Welcome to the real world, child, where
>> > > wackaloons like yourself are treated like, well, like wackaloons...
>>
>> > In the real world, Satan, a United States citizen who has been denied
>> > trial by jury has the right to appeal his case on the grounds that he
>> > was denied trial by jury.
>>
>> And where a judge can evaluate such appeals and reject them on the basis
>> of insufficient grounds--or in your case, on the basis of utter
>> ridiculousness (presumably the judge and his bailiff got a good chuckle
>> out of your nonsense).
>>
>> As many others have pointed out, a man who defends himself in court has
>> a fool for a client. In your case, you had Bozo the Clown as a client...
>
> Well, the reality is, Satan, that if the Superior Court judge
> dismisses the appeal, the case can then be appealed to the State Court
> of Appeals.
> As you mention, judges are free to make their own decisions.  That
> does not affect the right of the defendant to appeal the case.  The
> right of appeal extends all the way the the Supreme Court of the
> United States.
>      As long as the Constitution specifically says that a defendant
> has the right to trial by jury, a criminal or civil case can be
> appealed whenever that right is denied.

You need to re-read the lawbooks, skippy.
The Sixth Amendment gives the right to a trial by jury in all criminal 
cases.
It doesn't apply to civil cases.
You can appeal against decisions in both the criminal and civil courts, like 
you say (provided you have grounds for an appeal.) but you do not have the 
right to a trial by jury in a non- criminal case

Let me explain it to you again, because it obviously didn't sink in last 
time.
I'll try to keep it simple.
1. You were not on trial.
2. You were not being tried in a criminal case, nor had you been accused of 
any crime
3. You were simply committed by the courts to a mental health institution on 
the expert medical opinion of three  qualified and independent doctors

This is a due process of law which has nothing to do at all with 
criminality.
It is a legal process which is designed to protect both yourself and the 
public from harm.
You were not at any time facing a criminal prosecution-  therefore the Sixth 
Amendment doesn't apply and you were not entitled to a trial by jury which 
would be pointless anyway.
How on earth  do you think or imagine that ordinary, non- medically 
qualified people would be able to decide whether you needed treatment or 
not?
There was absolutely no point in you either trying to introduce the Sixth 
Amendment as evidence or asking for a trial by jury or trying to appeal on 
the grounds of being denied one.
All you managed to do was provide the court with further evidence of your 
confusion and insanity.

-- 
Steve O
a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter)
B.A.A.W.A.
Convicted by Earthquack
Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence












>Judges seem to be a little
> more cognizant of that fact than you are.

Judges are fully aware of the differences between a criminal case and a non- 
criminal case.
Or were you facing criminal charges as well?
 The last time I told a
> judge I knew how to appeal my case, he declared me not guilty.
> Robert B. Winn