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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

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From: rbwinn
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 06:22
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On Aug 5, 7:32�pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Aug 5, 6:42 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >>> On Aug 4, 9:36 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
> >>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >>>> On Aug 4, 9:40 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Aug 3, 8:38 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Aug 3, 4:18 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 8:12 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 2, 8:53 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote
> >>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2:30?pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discuss it with John after the resurrection.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No proof of this alleged "resurrection", is there?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually there is. The apostles were witnesses of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> resurrected Christ on two separate occasions.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> No evidence backs up your claim.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you want one.
> >>>>>>>>>> I have a Bible. There's no evidence in there to back up your claim.
> >>>>>>>>> John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the
> >>>>>>>>> week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for
> >>>>>>>>> fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto
> >>>>>>>>> them, Peace be unto you.
> >>>>>>>>> John 21:9 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire of
> >>>>>>>>> coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread.
> >>>>>>>>> 10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now
> >>>>>>>>> caught.
> >>>>>>>>> 11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great
> >>>>>>>>> fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so
> >>>>>>>>> many, yet was not the net broken.
> >>>>>>>>> 12Jesus saith unto them Come and dine, And none of the disciples durst
> >>>>>>>>> ask him , Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord.
> >>>>>>>>> 13 Jesus then cometh , and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish
> >>>>>>>>> likewise.
> >>>>>>>>> 14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his
> >>>>>>>>> disciples, after that he was risen from the dead.
> >>>>>>>> No, that's not evidence. That's a claim.
> >>>>>>> Well, you have to understand something about rules of evidence. If
> >>>>>>> something exists, it can be entered into evidence. The Bible
> >>>>>>> exists.
> >>>>>> This post exists. This post says that unicorns exist. Therefore, this
> >>>>>> post can be entered into evidence and unicorns must exist. Right?
> >>>>>> Or is "unicorns exist" just a claim?
> >>>>> No, it is evidence that you are not telling the truth.
> >>>>>>> So what is your position, that the Bible does not exist, therefore it
> >>>>>>> cannot be entered into evidence?
> >>>>>>> This is the same tactic you have used from the beginning concerning
> >>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel.
> >>>>>> Um, no. And you cannot prove that any atheist has ever said anything
> >>>>>> about Hezekiah's tunnel not existing, so you might as well give up that
> >>>>>> tripe.
> >>>>> One atheist a few years back said that Hezekiah's tunnel was a hoax
> >>>>> perpetrated by Jerusalem tour guides.
> >>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>> And none in this discussion and no citation to back up this claim.
> >>>> And yet you ascribe all atheists with the property of denying tunnel
> >>>> exists.
> >>>> Why is that? Could it be that you're another Liar-for-jesus?
> >>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
> >>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>> No, it is just that knowing the way atheists are,
> >> You have shown time and again that you have NO knowledge of the way
> >> atheists really are.
>
> >>> if an atheist tells
> >>> me that he believes the tunnel exists, I do not believe that atheist
> >>> is really conceding its existence, but will continue to say that the
> >>> Bible is nothing but mythology even after being shown that it is not.
> >> Why? Because the tunnel exists?
>
> > The tunnel exists. �It is right where the Bible said a tunnel was dug
> > as a conduit for water.
>
> And what does that have to do with anything?
>
Well, you atheists claimed that the Bible was nothing but mythology.
So I have gtiven you a tunnel to consider that you say is mythology.
Robert B. Winn
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From: rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com>
Newsgroups: sci.physics,cam.misc,alt.sci.physics,alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 23:22:49 -0700 (PDT)
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