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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

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From: Steve O
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 09:21
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message 
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> On Aug 5, 1:44�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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>> news:7217908d-1342-4ff4-9870-2a8a3b24450f@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
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>> > On Aug 4, 10:10 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> >> rbwinn wrote:
>> >> > On Aug 4, 8:35 pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >> On Aug 4, 8:02 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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>> >> >>> On Aug 3, 8:56 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> >> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
>> >> >>>>> On Aug 3, 4:29 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:24:56 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn 
>> >> >>>>>> <rbwi...@juno.com>
>> >> >>>>>> wrote
>> >> >>>>>> in alt.atheism:
>> >> >>>>>>> On Aug 3, 8:12?am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>> On Aug 2, 8:53 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2:30?pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> 
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> ...
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Discuss it with John after the resurrection.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> No proof of this alleged "resurrection", is there?
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually there is. The apostles were witnesses of 
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> resurrected Christ on two separate occasions.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> No evidence backs up your claim.
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you want one.
>> >> >>>>>>>> I have a Bible. ?There's no evidence in there to back up your
>> >> >>>>>>>> claim.
>> >> >>>>>>> John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day 
>> >> >>>>>>> of
>> >> >>>>>>> the
>> >> >>>>>>> week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were 
>> >> >>>>>>> assembled
>> >> >>>>>>> for
>> >> >>>>>>> fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith
>> >> >>>>>>> unto
>> >> >>>>>>> them, Peace be unto you.
>> >> >>>>>>> John 21:9 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a 
>> >> >>>>>>> fire
>> >> >>>>>>> of
>> >> >>>>>>> coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread.
>> >> >>>>>>> 10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now
>> >> >>>>>>> caught.
>> >> >>>>>>> 11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great
>> >> >>>>>>> fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were 
>> >> >>>>>>> so
>> >> >>>>>>> many, yet was not the net broken.
>> >> >>>>>>> 12Jesus saith unto them Come and dine, And none of the 
>> >> >>>>>>> disciples
>> >> >>>>>>> durst
>> >> >>>>>>> ask him , Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord.
>> >> >>>>>>> 13 Jesus then cometh , and taketh bread, and giveth them, and
>> >> >>>>>>> fish
>> >> >>>>>>> likewise.
>> >> >>>>>>> 14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his
>> >> >>>>>>> disciples, after that he was risen from the dead.
>> >> >>>>>> The Bible still is not evidence. I asked for evidence.- Hide
>> >> >>>>>> quoted text -
>> >> >>>>> The Bible is accepted as evidence in court.
>> >> >>>> For what kinds of cases?
>> >> >>> For any kind of case. A lawyer can request that a Bible be entered 
>> >> >>> as
>> >> >>> evidence in any court case. Clarence Darrow had the Bible entered 
>> >> >>> as
>> >> >>> evidence in the famous "monkey trial".
>> >> >>> Riobert B. Winn
>> >> >> A judge must be mad or loony if he were to allow for bible as
>> >> >> evidence.
>> >> >> You mean that ancient time recording can be the evidence for modern
>> >> >> time crime or cases?
>> >> >> This would also mean America is declining, at a rate faster than I
>> >> >> thought.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> > Well, it happened in 1934, or whenever it was. So we have that
>> >> > precedent in American jurisprudence.
>>
>> >> In only one type of trial, if it happened at all. Your credibility is
>> >> nil at this point.
>>
>> > Well, judges of today are very careful to make certain that only
>> > atheism is allowed in courtrooms.
>>
>> WTF are you going on about now????
>> What on EARTH is a statement like that supposed to mean?
>> Do you actually have much experience with courts???
>> What the hell would you describe as atheist evidence as opposed to normal
>> evidence?
>> I really have no idea what you are blabbering on about.
>> Please explain.
>>
>> > � That does not mean that the Bible
>> > is not evidence.
>>
>> Evidence of WHAT, you gibbering buffoon!
>>
>> >No matter how hard atheists try, they are unable to
>> > make the Bible disappear. �That is why it is evidence.
>> > Robert B. Winn
>>
>> EVIDENCE OF WHAT!!!!!!
>>
>> GAH! - You've got me shouting now- there's a good chance I could end up 
>> as
>> loony as you are.
>> Do you have any idea how frustrating you can be?
>> There's no possible way that anyone could hold a normal, rational
>> conversation with you - you're too far gone.- Hide quoted text -
>>
> It is the same as any other book.  It is evidence of whatever is
> written in it.

Written words are not evidence, and never can be evidence, fool- they are 
simply WRITTEN WORDS.
You simply fail to understand that it is the CONTENT of those words- not the 
written words themselves, that constitutes evidence.

 >It is evidence that a printer made copies of the book.
> It is evidence of the materials that the book is made of.  Do you have
> any understanding of what the word evidence means?
> Robert B. Winn

I have more understanding of evidence, and more experience of using 
evidence, than you will ever have.

-- 
Steve O
a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter)
B.A.A.W.A.
Convicted by Earthquack
Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence

 
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From: "Steve O" <nospamhere@thanks.com>
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Subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 10:21:17 +0100
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