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Article #11054Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: Steve O
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 09:21
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 09:21
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:5231da5a-ac89-4f72-9260-27b159b32f78@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > On Aug 5, 1:44�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:7217908d-1342-4ff4-9870-2a8a3b24450f@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Aug 4, 10:10 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> > On Aug 4, 8:35 pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> On Aug 4, 8:02 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Aug 3, 8:56 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: >> >> >>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >>>>> On Aug 3, 4:29 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >>>>>> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:24:56 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn >> >> >>>>>> <rbwi...@juno.com> >> >> >>>>>> wrote >> >> >>>>>> in alt.atheism: >> >> >>>>>>> On Aug 3, 8:12?am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Aug 2, 8:53 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn >> >> >>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote >> >> >>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism: >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2:30?pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>>> ... >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Discuss it with John after the resurrection. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> No proof of this alleged "resurrection", is there? >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually there is. The apostles were witnesses of >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> the >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> resurrected Christ on two separate occasions. >> >> >>>>>>>>>> No evidence backs up your claim. >> >> >>>>>>>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you want one. >> >> >>>>>>>> I have a Bible. ?There's no evidence in there to back up your >> >> >>>>>>>> claim. >> >> >>>>>>> John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day >> >> >>>>>>> of >> >> >>>>>>> the >> >> >>>>>>> week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were >> >> >>>>>>> assembled >> >> >>>>>>> for >> >> >>>>>>> fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith >> >> >>>>>>> unto >> >> >>>>>>> them, Peace be unto you. >> >> >>>>>>> John 21:9 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a >> >> >>>>>>> fire >> >> >>>>>>> of >> >> >>>>>>> coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread. >> >> >>>>>>> 10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now >> >> >>>>>>> caught. >> >> >>>>>>> 11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great >> >> >>>>>>> fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were >> >> >>>>>>> so >> >> >>>>>>> many, yet was not the net broken. >> >> >>>>>>> 12Jesus saith unto them Come and dine, And none of the >> >> >>>>>>> disciples >> >> >>>>>>> durst >> >> >>>>>>> ask him , Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord. >> >> >>>>>>> 13 Jesus then cometh , and taketh bread, and giveth them, and >> >> >>>>>>> fish >> >> >>>>>>> likewise. >> >> >>>>>>> 14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his >> >> >>>>>>> disciples, after that he was risen from the dead. >> >> >>>>>> The Bible still is not evidence. I asked for evidence.- Hide >> >> >>>>>> quoted text - >> >> >>>>> The Bible is accepted as evidence in court. >> >> >>>> For what kinds of cases? >> >> >>> For any kind of case. A lawyer can request that a Bible be entered >> >> >>> as >> >> >>> evidence in any court case. Clarence Darrow had the Bible entered >> >> >>> as >> >> >>> evidence in the famous "monkey trial". >> >> >>> Riobert B. Winn >> >> >> A judge must be mad or loony if he were to allow for bible as >> >> >> evidence. >> >> >> You mean that ancient time recording can be the evidence for modern >> >> >> time crime or cases? >> >> >> This would also mean America is declining, at a rate faster than I >> >> >> thought.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> > Well, it happened in 1934, or whenever it was. So we have that >> >> > precedent in American jurisprudence. >> >> >> In only one type of trial, if it happened at all. Your credibility is >> >> nil at this point. >> >> > Well, judges of today are very careful to make certain that only >> > atheism is allowed in courtrooms. >> >> WTF are you going on about now???? >> What on EARTH is a statement like that supposed to mean? >> Do you actually have much experience with courts??? >> What the hell would you describe as atheist evidence as opposed to normal >> evidence? >> I really have no idea what you are blabbering on about. >> Please explain. >> >> > � That does not mean that the Bible >> > is not evidence. >> >> Evidence of WHAT, you gibbering buffoon! >> >> >No matter how hard atheists try, they are unable to >> > make the Bible disappear. �That is why it is evidence. >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> EVIDENCE OF WHAT!!!!!! >> >> GAH! - You've got me shouting now- there's a good chance I could end up >> as >> loony as you are. >> Do you have any idea how frustrating you can be? >> There's no possible way that anyone could hold a normal, rational >> conversation with you - you're too far gone.- Hide quoted text - >> > It is the same as any other book. It is evidence of whatever is > written in it. Written words are not evidence, and never can be evidence, fool- they are simply WRITTEN WORDS. You simply fail to understand that it is the CONTENT of those words- not the written words themselves, that constitutes evidence. >It is evidence that a printer made copies of the book. > It is evidence of the materials that the book is made of. Do you have > any understanding of what the word evidence means? > Robert B. Winn I have more understanding of evidence, and more experience of using evidence, than you will ever have. -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. 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