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Article #11065Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: rbwinn
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 02:25
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 02:25
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On Aug 5, 1:35�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > news:660f9180-eecb-4f30-a0e4-f28aca604d5a@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 9:36 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > >> On Aug 4, 9:40 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > >> > On Aug 3, 8:38 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >> > > rbwinn wrote: > >> > > > On Aug 3, 4:18 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> > > >> rbwinn wrote: > >> > > >>> On Aug 3, 8:12 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> > > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >> > > >>>>> On Aug 2, 8:53 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> > > >>>>>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > >> > > >>>>>> <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote > >> > > >>>>>> in alt.atheism: > >> > > >>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2:30?pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> > > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >> > > >>>>>> ... > >> > > >>>>>>>>> Discuss it with John after the resurrection. > >> > > >>>>>>>> No proof of this alleged "resurrection", is there? > >> > > >>>>>>> Well, actually there is. The apostles were witnesses of the > >> > > >>>>>>> resurrected Christ on two separate occasions. > >> > > >>>>>> No evidence backs up your claim. > >> > > >>>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you want one. > >> > > >>>> I have a Bible. There's no evidence in there to back up your > >> > > >>>> claim. > >> > > >>> John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of > >> > > >>> the > >> > > >>> week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled > >> > > >>> for > >> > > >>> fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith > >> > > >>> unto > >> > > >>> them, Peace be unto you. > >> > > >>> John 21:9 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire > >> > > >>> of > >> > > >>> coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread. > >> > > >>> 10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now > >> > > >>> caught. > >> > > >>> 11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great > >> > > >>> fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so > >> > > >>> many, yet was not the net broken. > >> > > >>> 12Jesus saith unto them Come and dine, And none of the disciples > >> > > >>> durst > >> > > >>> ask him , Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord. > >> > > >>> 13 Jesus then cometh , and taketh bread, and giveth them, and > >> > > >>> fish > >> > > >>> likewise. > >> > > >>> 14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his > >> > > >>> disciples, after that he was risen from the dead. > >> > > >> No, that's not evidence. That's a claim. > > >> > > > Well, you have to understand something about rules of evidence. If > >> > > > something exists, it can be entered into evidence. The Bible > >> > > > exists. > > >> > > This post exists. This post says that unicorns exist. Therefore, this > >> > > post can be entered into evidence and unicorns must exist. Right? > > >> > > Or is "unicorns exist" just a claim? > > >> > No, it is evidence that you are not telling the truth. > > >> > > > So what is your position, that the Bible does not exist, therefore > >> > > > it > >> > > > cannot be entered into evidence? > >> > > > This is the same tactic you have used from the beginning concerning > >> > > > Hezekiah's tunnel. > > >> > > Um, no. And you cannot prove that any atheist has ever said anything > >> > > about Hezekiah's tunnel not existing, so you might as well give up > >> > > that > >> > > tripe. > > >> > One atheist a few years back said that Hezekiah's tunnel was a hoax > >> > perpetrated by Jerusalem tour guides. > >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> And none in this discussion and no citation to back up this claim. > >> And yet you ascribe all atheists with the property of denying tunnel > >> exists. > >> Why is that? Could it be that you're another Liar-for-jesus? > > >> Al- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > No, it is just that knowing the way atheists are, if an atheist tells > > me that he believes the tunnel exists, I do not believe that atheist > > is really conceding its existence, but will continue to say that the > > Bible is nothing but mythology even after being shown that it is not. > > Robert B. Winn > > You simply cannot be that stupid. > Then again, you could surprise me. > Show me the atheist who will admit that the Bible correctly shows the location of Hezekiah's tunnel. There is no such atheist. Robert B. Winn
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