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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

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From: rbwinn
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 02:25
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On Aug 5, 1:35�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> > On Aug 4, 9:36 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
> > <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >> On Aug 4, 9:40 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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> >> > On Aug 3, 8:38 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
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> >> > > rbwinn wrote:
> >> > > > On Aug 3, 4:18 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >> > > >> rbwinn wrote:
> >> > > >>> On Aug 3, 8:12 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >> > > >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >> > > >>>>> On Aug 2, 8:53 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn
> >> > > >>>>>> <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote
> >> > > >>>>>> in alt.atheism:
> >> > > >>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2:30?pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >> > > >>>>>> ...
> >> > > >>>>>>>>> Discuss it with John after the resurrection.
> >> > > >>>>>>>> No proof of this alleged "resurrection", is there?
> >> > > >>>>>>> Well, actually there is. The apostles were witnesses of the
> >> > > >>>>>>> resurrected Christ on two separate occasions.
> >> > > >>>>>> No evidence backs up your claim.
> >> > > >>>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you want one.
> >> > > >>>> I have a Bible. There's no evidence in there to back up your
> >> > > >>>> claim.
> >> > > >>> John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of
> >> > > >>> the
> >> > > >>> week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled
> >> > > >>> for
> >> > > >>> fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith
> >> > > >>> unto
> >> > > >>> them, Peace be unto you.
> >> > > >>> John 21:9 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire
> >> > > >>> of
> >> > > >>> coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread.
> >> > > >>> 10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now
> >> > > >>> caught.
> >> > > >>> 11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great
> >> > > >>> fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so
> >> > > >>> many, yet was not the net broken.
> >> > > >>> 12Jesus saith unto them Come and dine, And none of the disciples
> >> > > >>> durst
> >> > > >>> ask him , Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord.
> >> > > >>> 13 Jesus then cometh , and taketh bread, and giveth them, and
> >> > > >>> fish
> >> > > >>> likewise.
> >> > > >>> 14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his
> >> > > >>> disciples, after that he was risen from the dead.
> >> > > >> No, that's not evidence. That's a claim.
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> >> > > > Well, you have to understand something about rules of evidence. If
> >> > > > something exists, it can be entered into evidence. The Bible
> >> > > > exists.
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> >> > > This post exists. This post says that unicorns exist. Therefore, this
> >> > > post can be entered into evidence and unicorns must exist. Right?
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> >> > > Or is "unicorns exist" just a claim?
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> >> > No, it is evidence that you are not telling the truth.
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> >> > > > So what is your position, that the Bible does not exist, therefore
> >> > > > it
> >> > > > cannot be entered into evidence?
> >> > > > This is the same tactic you have used from the beginning concerning
> >> > > > Hezekiah's tunnel.
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> >> > > Um, no. And you cannot prove that any atheist has ever said anything
> >> > > about Hezekiah's tunnel not existing, so you might as well give up
> >> > > that
> >> > > tripe.
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> >> > One atheist a few years back said that Hezekiah's tunnel was a hoax
> >> > perpetrated by Jerusalem tour guides.
> >> > Robert B. Winn
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> >> And none in this discussion and no citation to back up this claim.
> >> And yet you ascribe all atheists with the property of denying tunnel
> >> exists.
> >> Why is that? Could it be that you're another Liar-for-jesus?
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> >> Al- Hide quoted text -
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> >> - Show quoted text -
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> > No, it is just that knowing the way atheists are, if an atheist tells
> > me that he believes the tunnel exists, I do not believe that atheist
> > is really conceding its existence, but will continue to say that the
> > Bible is nothing but mythology even after being shown that it is not.
> > Robert B. Winn
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> You simply cannot be that stupid.
> Then again, you could surprise me.
>
Show me the atheist who will admit that the Bible correctly shows the
location of Hezekiah's tunnel.  There is no such atheist.
Robert B. Winn
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From: rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com>
Newsgroups: sci.physics,cam.misc,alt.sci.physics,alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 19:25:47 -0700 (PDT)
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