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On Aug 2, 7:18�pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Aug 2, 1:17 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >>> On Aug 1, 11:56 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>> On Aug 1, 8:29 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Jul 31, 8:55 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2:47 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>>>news:e614fbd1-1d14-42db-856a-84936af30751@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>>>>>>> OnJul30, 10:32 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
> >>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul31, 2:57 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul30, 6:07 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30Jul2008 17:57:19 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <4937d184-9c40-4146-a3bb-b72b0333d...@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul30, 3:43?pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue,29Jul2008 21:46:16 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <5756c0f4-924c-42b6-b121-8d1294e14...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul22, 4:36?am, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21Jul2008 20:27:01 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...@juno.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul21, 6:51?pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21Jul2008 17:58:47 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...@juno.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul21, 5:15?pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21Jul2008 06:27:20 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...@juno.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul20, 4:53?pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 20Jul2008 14:57:06 -0700, DanielSan
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel...@speakeasy.net>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul20, 10:18 am, DanielSan
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, Jesus didn't say it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul said it. ?He was one of the twelve apostles.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, Jesus didn't say it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, as we all know, Paul was not one of the Twelve.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if you doubt that Paul was one of the twelve, why
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't you wait
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> until after you are resurrected and ask Paul if he was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twelve?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are really ignorant about the Bible. No wonder you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insist on making
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a fool of yourself.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clue. Even Paul tells us he wasn't one of the Twelve.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there were aGod, He would strike you down for being
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such a bad
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example.- Hide quoted text -
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The book of Acts says Paul was ordained an apostle, Paul
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> says he is an
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apostle. ?Paul was an apostle, regardless of how many
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheists of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today say he was not.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you choose to lie rather than admit your error.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nowhere in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the entire Bibledoesit say that Paul was one of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twelve. That was a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim you made up that was not true.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep lying. Prove to us how much of a fake you are.- Hide
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Acts 14:14 ?Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of, they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rent their clothes, and ran in among the people crying out.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, as you can see, apostledoesnot mean 'one of the Twelve'.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please, learn the myths you are trying to sell us. Yourgod
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> embarrassed by your ignorance if he existed.- Hide quoted
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, yes itdoesmean ?one of the Twelve.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Go waste
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time reading the Gospels, Acts and letters to find out that _no
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one_
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought that Paul was one of the Twelve.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Paul thought he was. I don't think he would have gone around
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lying about it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are lying about what Paul said. He never claimed to be one of the
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>> He said he was an apostle. He would not have said that if he had not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> been ordained.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am an apostle.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>> So who ordained you an apostle?
> >>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>>>>>>> You did.
> >>>>>>>>>> You said that people who say they are an apostle are an ordained apostle,
> >>>>>>>>>> and that they wouldn't say they were an apostle unless they were an apostle.
> >>>>>>>>>> It's right up there, in the text.
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>> Steve O
> >>>>>>>>> Paul was ordained an apostle. Al was not.
> >>>>>>>> I ordain Al as an apostle.
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> You would have to be an apostle to ordain an apostle.
> >>>>>> I've already been ordained an apostle.
> >>>>> So who ordained you an apostle?
> >>>> God.
> >>> Why would God ordain you an apostle?
> >> God works in mysterious ways.
>
> >>> The original twelve apostles
> >>> were ordained by Jesus Christ.
> >> And none of them were Paul.
>
> >>> All apostles since that time have been
> >>> ordained by apostles.
> >> So?
>
> >>> It is contrary to the order of heaven for God
> >>> to do anything for men that they can do for themselves.
> >> You presume to speak for God?
>
> > I absolutely do.
>
> I'll make sure that God knows that you took it upon yourself to speak
> for Him.
>

Hebrews 5:1  For every high priest taken from among men is ordained
for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and
sacrifices for sins:
2  Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out
of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity.
3 And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for
himself, to offer for sins.
4  And no man taketh this honor unto himself, but he that is called of
God, as was Aaron.
Robert B. Winn