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rbwinn wrote:
> On Aug 2, 7:23�pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Aug 2, 1:24 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 1, 11:58 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Aug 1, 8:36 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 9:20 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 6:04 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul31, 5:36 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul30, 9:49 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul30, 6:04 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul30, 3:40 pm, Stan-O <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30Jul2008 10:42:53 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Under World Communism one of the pre-requisites for being a dictator
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was being an atheist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because Karl Marx said that religion was the opiate of the people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Religious people were not allowed to be Communist dictators.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...and to think that Marx himself was Jewish...- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marx said that he was an atheist. How is it that now that Communism
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has failed, all of these Communist icons are suddenly religious men?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because you read filtered propaganda instead of doing any research
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into their backgrounds.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I knew that Karl Marx was born to a Jewish family and became an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheist. I knew that Josef Stalin was born into a Russian Orthodox
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> family and became an atheist. Those are just facts. So how do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheists of today hope to change the facts by claiming that these two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individuals were religious men?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you believe Marx and Stalin when they claimed to be atheists?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I absolutely do. They sound just like atheists of today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mean, you don't think they were lying for political gain?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, they were lying for political gain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Therefore, it's possible they weren't atheists.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, no, it is not possible. There were no Communist dictators who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> were not atheists.
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...that you will admit to existing, you mean.
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, tell me one and we will see if I admit it.
>>>>>>>>>> Already done with Muntzer.
>>>>>>>>> Already done? So in what nation was he head of state?
>>>>>>>> First, define "nation".
>>>>>>> Just go to Merriam-Webster dictionary online. Any words you do not
>>>>>>> understand, you can look up in a dictionary. Perhaps you did not know
>>>>>>> about dictionaries.
>>>>>> I know the definition of nation, moron. I want to know if YOU know the
>>>>>> definition.
>>>>> No, you don't.
>>>> How do you know?
>>>>> You want to change the subject because there have not
>>>>> been any Communist dictators who were Christian.
>>>> Muntzer was a Communist dictator who was a Christian. Does one need to
>>>> be "head of state" to be a dictator?
>>> As far as I can tell, Muntzer was just a religious dissident who had a
>>> contention with Martin Luther.
>> Then you don't know anything about Muntzer. �Read up on the dissolution
>> of the Town Council in Muehlhausen in 1524.
>>
>> --
> Any local leader of that time who was religious would probably be
> classified as a dictator by atheists of today.

Sorry, but you cannot redefine dictator that way.

>   The subject was
> Communist dictators.  

Yes.  Try to stick to it.

> We were talking about World Communism,

No, we weren't.

> which did
> not happen until Karl Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto and Das
> Kapital.  World Communism was an attempt to establish a world
> government under the control of Communist powers.  All Communist
> dictators under World Communism were atheists.

If you wish to redefine communism and dictatorship like that, perhaps. 
But, then again, all dictators are also men, so what does that say?

I mean, if you want to redefine what it means to be a dictator...


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