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On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 07:38:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote
in alt.atheism:

>On Aug 2, 7:18?pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>> > On Aug 2, 1:17 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> >> rbwinn wrote:
>> >>> On Aug 1, 11:56 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
>> >>>>> On Aug 1, 8:29 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>> >>>>>>> On Jul 31, 8:55 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2:47 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>>>>>>>news:e614fbd1-1d14-42db-856a-84936af30751@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> >>>>>>>>>>> OnJul30, 10:32 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
>> >>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul31, 2:57 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul30, 6:07 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30Jul2008 17:57:19 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <4937d184-9c40-4146-a3bb-b72b0333d...@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul30, 3:43?pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue,29Jul2008 21:46:16 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <5756c0f4-924c-42b6-b121-8d1294e14...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul22, 4:36?am, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21Jul2008 20:27:01 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...@juno.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul21, 6:51?pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21Jul2008 17:58:47 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...@juno.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul21, 5:15?pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21Jul2008 06:27:20 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...@juno.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul20, 4:53?pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 20Jul2008 14:57:06 -0700, DanielSan
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel...@speakeasy.net>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul20, 10:18 am, DanielSan
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, Jesus didn't say it.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul said it. ?He was one of the twelve apostles.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, Jesus didn't say it.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, as we all know, Paul was not one of the Twelve.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if you doubt that Paul was one of the twelve, why
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't you wait
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> until after you are resurrected and ask Paul if he was
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one of the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twelve?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are really ignorant about the Bible. No wonder you
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insist on making
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a fool of yourself.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clue. Even Paul tells us he wasn't one of the Twelve.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there were aGod, He would strike you down for being
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such a bad
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example.- Hide quoted text -
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The book of Acts says Paul was ordained an apostle, Paul
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> says he is an
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apostle. ?Paul was an apostle, regardless of how many
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheists of
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today say he was not.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you choose to lie rather than admit your error.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nowhere in
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the entire Bibledoesit say that Paul was one of the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twelve. That was a
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim you made up that was not true.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep lying. Prove to us how much of a fake you are.- Hide
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Acts 14:14 ?Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of, they
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rent their clothes, and ran in among the people crying out.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, as you can see, apostledoesnot mean 'one of the Twelve'.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please, learn the myths you are trying to sell us. Yourgod
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> embarrassed by your ignorance if he existed.- Hide quoted
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, yes itdoesmean ?one of the Twelve.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Go waste
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time reading the Gospels, Acts and letters to find out that _no
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one_
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought that Paul was one of the Twelve.- Hide quoted text -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Paul thought he was. I don't think he would have gone around
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lying about it.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are lying about what Paul said. He never claimed to be one of the
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> He said he was an apostle. He would not have said that if he had not
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> been ordained.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am an apostle.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
>> >>>>>>>>>>> So who ordained you an apostle?
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>> >>>>>>>>>> You did.
>> >>>>>>>>>> You said that people who say they are an apostle are an ordained apostle,
>> >>>>>>>>>> and that they wouldn't say they were an apostle unless they were an apostle.
>> >>>>>>>>>> It's right up there, in the text.
>> >>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>> Steve O
>> >>>>>>>>> Paul was ordained an apostle. Al was not.
>> >>>>>>>> I ordain Al as an apostle.
>> >>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>> You would have to be an apostle to ordain an apostle.
>> >>>>>> I've already been ordained an apostle.
>> >>>>> So who ordained you an apostle?
>> >>>> God.
>> >>> Why would God ordain you an apostle?
>> >> God works in mysterious ways.
>>
>> >>> The original twelve apostles
>> >>> were ordained by Jesus Christ.
>> >> And none of them were Paul.
>>
>> >>> All apostles since that time have been
>> >>> ordained by apostles.
>> >> So?
>>
>> >>> It is contrary to the order of heaven for God
>> >>> to do anything for men that they can do for themselves.
>> >> You presume to speak for God?
>>
>> > I absolutely do.
>>
>> I'll make sure that God knows that you took it upon yourself to speak
>> for Him.
>>
>
>Hebrews 5:1  For every high priest taken from among men is ordained
>for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and
>sacrifices for sins:
>2  Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out
>of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity.
>3 And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for
>himself, to offer for sins.
>4  And no man taketh this honor unto himself, but he that is called of
>God, as was Aaron.

God didn't say that.