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On Aug 2, 1:08�pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Aug 1, 11:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >>> On Aug 1, 8:26 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>> On Jul 31, 6:21 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Jul 31, 5:52 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 10:15 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 6:14 pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>>>>>news:9dcddedb-bce6-457f-b0c5-d9a6d2bb6bd7@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 10:04?am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>news:8ab589a3-2731-4a92-a41e-d6870a4e6f4b@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 10:08 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:efa8da13-56b6-4386-bfe5-c571b689a669@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have no evidence at all about God.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You could, but it would be much better if you could provide some
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God as well.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> God sent His Only Begotten Son, Steve. ?If that was not enough for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you, nothing I could do or say is going to convince you of anything.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Got any evidence that Jesus was the son of God?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Please don't say, "the Bible" - that isn't evidence of anything at all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> just an old, old story.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually the Bible is evidence of Hezekiah's tunnel. Three
> >>>>>>>>>>>> different books of the Old Testament describe the construction of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ================================
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Several of the Harry Potter books mention Kings Cross station.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Does that make the Harry Potter stories true?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Smiler,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Why don't you spend some more time studying it, Smiler, and decide for
> >>>>>>>>>>> yourself? I know that atheists are a little lacking in self-
> >>>>>>>>>>> confidence, but I think you could decide this question for yourself.
> >>>>>>>>>> I've studied Hezekiah's Tunnel since you brought it up. I still fail to
> >>>>>>>>>> see what its existence has to do with the truthfulness of the Bible.
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>> ******************************************************
> >>>>>>>>>> * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
> >>>>>>>>> Well, first you would have to make a decision about Hezekiah's
> >>>>>>>>> tunnel. Does the tunnel really exist or is it just a hoax the way one
> >>>>>>>>> atheist claimed?
> >>>>>>>> Which atheist? Provide a quote.
> >>>>>>>>> Then if you decide it exists, how does that relate
> >>>>>>>>> to the description of its construction in the Old Testament? Was the
> >>>>>>>>> tunnel seen today the tunnel described in the Old Testament, or is it
> >>>>>>>>> some other tunnel the way atheists continue to say in this newsgroup?
> >>>>>>>> Which atheists? Provide quotes.
> >>>>>>>>> I know this is difficult, but it really is possible for an atheist to
> >>>>>>>>> make a decision about this.
> >>>>>>>>> The verses of the Bible that describe the construction of Hezekiah's
> >>>>>>>>> tunnel are either true, or they are false. So far, having said that
> >>>>>>>>> the Bible is only myth, atheists are not willing to admit that there
> >>>>>>>>> are verses describing the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel that are
> >>>>>>>>> obviously true.
> >>>>>>>> How about this mindblower:
> >>>>>>>> Hezekiah's Tunnel exists. The Bible talks about it. The Bible is
> >>>>>>>> true...on this fact only...but has nothing to do with the truthfulness
> >>>>>>>> of the Bible.
> >>>>>>>> Look at every fiction story ever written. A great majority of them
> >>>>>>>> write about the Earth. An even greater majority talk about humans.
> >>>>>>>> Does that mean that the book itself is now nonfiction since it describe
> >>>>>>>> the Earth exactly how we see it today and how humans are?
> >>>>>>> Well, we have made progress to a point, that an atheist has admitted
> >>>>>>> that the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel is
> >>>>>>> true. First of all, not all fiction books describe the construction
> >>>>>>> of something that can be observed.
> >>>>>> And that's irrelevant.
> >>>>>>> But your premise is wrong. Just because you can find a fiction book
> >>>>>>> that describes something that can be seen does not prove that all
> >>>>>>> books that describe something that can be seen are fiction.
> >>>>>> Doesn't prove they're nonfiction, either. You're starting to get it.
> >>>>>> Just because a book talks about the construction of something is
> >>>>>> irrelevant to the veracity of the book.
> >>>>> No, it is not irrelevant.
> >>>> Yes. Yes, it is.
> >>>>>>> The
> >>>>>>> furthest you can go would be to say that the book that describes
> >>>>>>> something that can be seen could be fiction or non-fiction, but you
> >>>>>>> cannot say that you have proven it to be fiction. So you would have
> >>>>>>> to find something else in the book that you claim is fiction, not
> >>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel, which has been proven to be non-fiction. I hope
> >>>>>>> this will help you in your studies.
> >>>>>> When you get on to proving that God thing as non-fiction, do let me know.
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>> God already proved it. If you reject the atonement of Christ for your
> >>>>> sins, it is your problem, not mine.
> >>>> God has done nothing of the sort. Someone told you that God proved it,
> >>>> but do you have any evidence that he did?
> >>>> PS: Your threat given vicariously through some dead guy we can't even
> >>>> show to exist is summarily rejected.
> >>> There is no threat.
> >> Sure there is. The failure to atone for "sins" is everlasting torture.
>
> >>> You atheists say that you do not want to enter
> >>> heaven. You will get exactly what you say you want. So where is the
> >>> threat?
> >>> It is a threat to give someone what they say they want?
> >> You've not heard of "Hell", have you?
>
> > Well, but you atheists would be more miserable in the presence of God
> > than you would be in the presence of Satan. �If you want to be with
> > Satan, you should be allowed to be with Satan.
>
> How about this? �We cannot "prefer" to be with any imaginary creature?
>
> --
So decide for yourselves whether or not Satan is imaginary.  What do
you want me to do?  The decision was made by you.
Robert B. Winn