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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

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From: DanielSan
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 02:23
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rbwinn wrote:
> On Aug 2, 1:24�pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Aug 1, 11:58 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 1, 8:36 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 9:20 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 6:04 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul31, 5:36 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul30, 9:49 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul30, 6:04 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul30, 3:40 pm, Stan-O <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30Jul2008 10:42:53 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Under World Communism one of the pre-requisites for being a dictator
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was being an atheist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because Karl Marx said that religion was the opiate of the people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Religious people were not allowed to be Communist dictators.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...and to think that Marx himself was Jewish...- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marx said that he was an atheist. How is it that now that Communism
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has failed, all of these Communist icons are suddenly religious men?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because you read filtered propaganda instead of doing any research
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into their backgrounds.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I knew that Karl Marx was born to a Jewish family and became an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheist. I knew that Josef Stalin was born into a Russian Orthodox
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> family and became an atheist. Those are just facts. So how do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheists of today hope to change the facts by claiming that these two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individuals were religious men?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you believe Marx and Stalin when they claimed to be atheists?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I absolutely do. They sound just like atheists of today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mean, you don't think they were lying for political gain?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, they were lying for political gain
>>>>>>>>>>>> Therefore, it's possible they weren't atheists.
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, no, it is not possible. There were no Communist dictators who
>>>>>>>>>>> were not atheists.
>>>>>>>>>> ...that you will admit to existing, you mean.
>>>>>>>>> Well, tell me one and we will see if I admit it.
>>>>>>>> Already done with Muntzer.
>>>>>>> Already done? So in what nation was he head of state?
>>>>>> First, define "nation".
>>>>> Just go to Merriam-Webster dictionary online. Any words you do not
>>>>> understand, you can look up in a dictionary. Perhaps you did not know
>>>>> about dictionaries.
>>>> I know the definition of nation, moron. I want to know if YOU know the
>>>> definition.
>>> No, you don't. �
>> How do you know?
>>
>>> You want to change the subject because there have not
>>> been any Communist dictators who were Christian.
>> Muntzer was a Communist dictator who was a Christian. �Does one need to
>> be "head of state" to be a dictator?
> 
> As far as I can tell, Muntzer was just a religious dissident who had a
> contention with Martin Luther.

Then you don't know anything about Muntzer.  Read up on the dissolution 
of the Town Council in Muehlhausen in 1524.

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