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On Aug 1, 11:55�pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Aug 1, 8:28 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >>> On Jul 31, 7:05 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
> >>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >>>> On Aug 1, 8:10 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Jul 31, 5:52 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Jul 30, 10:15 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 6:14 pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>>>news:9dcddedb-bce6-457f-b0c5-d9a6d2bb6bd7@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 10:04?am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>>>>news:8ab589a3-2731-4a92-a41e-d6870a4e6f4b@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 10:08 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>news:efa8da13-56b6-4386-bfe5-c571b689a669@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have no evidence at all about God.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You could, but it would be much better if you could provide some
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> God as well.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O
> >>>>>>>>>>>> God sent His Only Begotten Son, Steve. ?If that was not enough for
> >>>>>>>>>>>> you, nothing I could do or say is going to convince you of anything.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>>>>>>>> Got any evidence that Jesus was the son of God?
> >>>>>>>>>>> Please don't say, "the Bible" - that isn't evidence of anything at all,
> >>>>>>>>>>> it's
> >>>>>>>>>>> just an old, old story.
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>> Steve O
> >>>>>>>>>> Well, actually the Bible is evidence of Hezekiah's tunnel. Three
> >>>>>>>>>> different books of the Old Testament describe the construction of
> >>>>>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel.
> >>>>>>>>>> ================================
> >>>>>>>>>> Several of the Harry Potter books mention Kings Cross station.
> >>>>>>>>>> Does that make the Harry Potter stories true?
> >>>>>>>>>> Smiler,
> >>>>>>>>> Why don't you spend some more time studying it, Smiler, and decide for
> >>>>>>>>> yourself? I know that atheists are a little lacking in self-
> >>>>>>>>> confidence, but I think you could decide this question for yourself.
> >>>>>>>> I've studied Hezekiah's Tunnel since you brought it up. I still fail to
> >>>>>>>> see what its existence has to do with the truthfulness of the Bible.
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> ******************************************************
> >>>>>>>> * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
> >>>>>>> Well, first you would have to make a decision about Hezekiah's
> >>>>>>> tunnel. Does the tunnel really exist or is it just a hoax the way one
> >>>>>>> atheist claimed?
> >>>>>> Which atheist? Provide a quote.
> >>>>>>> Then if you decide it exists, how does that relate
> >>>>>>> to the description of its construction in the Old Testament? Was the
> >>>>>>> tunnel seen today the tunnel described in the Old Testament, or is it
> >>>>>>> some other tunnel the way atheists continue to say in this newsgroup?
> >>>>>> Which atheists? Provide quotes.
> >>>>>>> I know this is difficult, but it really is possible for an atheist to
> >>>>>>> make a decision about this.
> >>>>>>> The verses of the Bible that describe the construction of Hezekiah's
> >>>>>>> tunnel are either true, or they are false. So far, having said that
> >>>>>>> the Bible is only myth, atheists are not willing to admit that there
> >>>>>>> are verses describing the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel that are
> >>>>>>> obviously true.
> >>>>>> How about this mindblower:
> >>>>>> Hezekiah's Tunnel exists. The Bible talks about it. The Bible is
> >>>>>> true...on this fact only...but has nothing to do with the truthfulness
> >>>>>> of the Bible.
> >>>>>> Look at every fiction story ever written. A great majority of them
> >>>>>> write about the Earth. An even greater majority talk about humans.
> >>>>>> Does that mean that the book itself is now nonfiction since it describe
> >>>>>> the Earth exactly how we see it today and how humans are?
> >>>>> Well, we have made progress to a point, that an atheist has admitted
> >>>>> that the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel is
> >>>>> true. First of all, not all fiction books describe the construction
> >>>>> of something that can be observed.
> >>>>> But your premise is wrong. Just because you can find a fiction book
> >>>>> that describes something that can be seen does not prove that all
> >>>>> books that describe something that can be seen are fiction.
> >>>> Your misapprehension of his premise is noted.
> >>>>> The
> >>>>> furthest you can go would be to say that the book that describes
> >>>>> something that can be seen could be fiction or non-fiction, but you
> >>>>> cannot say that you have proven it to be fiction. So you would have
> >>>>> to find something else in the book that you claim is fiction, not
> >>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel, which has been proven to be non-fiction. I hope
> >>>>> this will help you in your studies.
> >>>> Yes.
> >>>> Using that logic and one data point, this means the bible is fiction
> >>>> or non-fiction.
> >>>> Using a second data point, say global flood, proves the bible is a
> >>>> work of fiction.
> >>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
> >>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>> Well, no it does not. What you are claiming is that if you can find a
> >>> mistake or something debatable in a non-fiction book, then you have
> >>> proven it is fiction.
> >> No.
>
> >>> What makes a book fiction or non-fiction is the
> >>> intent of the author or authors. A fiction book is an account of
> >>> imaginary events.
> >> ...or people.
>
> >>> A perceived mistake in a non-fiction book can
> >>> happen because of a misinterpretation of events by either the author
> >>> or reader of the book.
> >> So, you're saying that the Bible has mistakes?
>
> > Yes, the Bible has mistakes.
>
> You're in contention with many Christians who believe the Bible to be
> inerrant.
>
I am not in contention with anyone.  Why would it bother me if someone
thinks the Bible is inerrant?
Robert B. Winn