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rbwinn wrote:
> On Aug 1, 8:25�am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Jul 31, 6:11 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 31, 5:45 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 10:15 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 6:13 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 5:37 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 3:13 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 5:24 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 8:39 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 7:16 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 5:51 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 7:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:34 am, Stan-O <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is quite a statement. So you are saying that Stalin did not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control. He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union. It is well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documented.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And what's that got to do with atheism?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a Christian by atheists of today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't change the subject. What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheism?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So what is the matter? Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists. They will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they were.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because what they did is irrelevant to me? Now, back onto the question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are REFUSING to answer:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What has what Stalin tried to do ("tried to stamp out religion in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Soviet Union") relevant to atheism?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin was an atheist. His values and beliefs were much like yours
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Torquemada was a christian. His values and beliefs were much like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yours are today. And you're doing your best to make us all see the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point of shooting christians. You really are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, let's talk about those feelings, Al. Pol Pot was just an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unassuming atheistic school teacher until he became a Communist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dictator.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, really, aren't you talking about communism and totalitarianism?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What does atheism have to do with it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Under World Communism one of the pre-requisites for being a dictator
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was being an atheist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because Karl Marx said that religion was the opiate of the people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And...?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Religious people were not allowed to be Communist dictators.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, just go ahead and list all of the Communist dictators who were
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christians, Daniel.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thomas M ntzer, for starters.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have more, but I think even one example destroys your guess that
>>>>>>>>>>>> religious people are not allowed to be communist dictators.
>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, check out this quote from tienne Cabet: "Communism is
>>>>>>>>>>>> Christianity... it is pure Christianity, before it was corrupted by
>>>>>>>>>>>> Catholicism."
>>>>>>>>>>> Never heard of Thomas Muntzer.
>>>>>>>>>> Then this is an opportunity for you to do research. Seek and ye shall find.
>>>>>>>>>>> Etienne Cabet sent a colony to Nauvoo,
>>>>>>>>>>> Illinois, to take over the houses left by members of the Church of
>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints who were driven from the city by
>>>>>>>>>>> mobs. The Communist colony failed.
>>>>>>>>>> Irrelevant.
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Well, I do not think it was irrelevant.
>>>>>>>> It is irrelevant to whether Christians can be communist and whether
>>>>>>>> Christians can become communist dictators.
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Well, it was not irrelevant at the time, just as it is not irrelevant
>>>>>>> now whether independent voters are allowed to run for office in this
>>>>>>> country.
>>>>>> Um, what?
>>>>> Since the election of 1800 political party politicians have passed
>>>>> laws at state level designed to keep independent voters from running
>>>>> for public office.
>>>> What has that got to do with Christian Communistic Dictators?
>>>> (And independent voters can't run for public office?! WHAT?!)
>>>> --
>>> Political party politicians are passing laws as we speak to prevent
>>> independent voters from running for office. �In Arizona, the state
>>> where I live, an independent voter is required to obtain about 20,000
>>> nomination petition signatures to appear on the ballot for the same
>>> office a major party candidate is required to obtain 3,000 signatures
>>> to appear on the ballot.
>>> States like Alabama, Oregon, and Pennsylvania have been passing
>>> similar laws designed to insure that independent voters cannot compete
>>> with party candidates for ballot access.
>> So, you lied when you said that independent voters were denied from
>> running for public office.
>>
> 
> Independent voters are denied from running for public office, and have
> been denied from running for public office since the election of 1800.

So, all I need to do is to show one independent voter that did run for 
public office and your claim will be demolished, right?

Karen M. Hartley-Nagle (Independent) ran for public office in 2006.

Now what do you have to say for yourself?

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