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On Jul 31, 7:05�pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
<alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> On Aug 1, 8:10 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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> > On Jul 31, 5:52 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
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> > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > On Jul 30, 10:15 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> > > >> rbwinn wrote:
> > > >>> On Jul 30, 6:14 pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
> > > >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> > > >>>>news:9dcddedb-bce6-457f-b0c5-d9a6d2bb6bd7@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> > > >>>> On Jul 22, 10:04?am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> > > >>>>>news:8ab589a3-2731-4a92-a41e-d6870a4e6f4b@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> > > >>>>>> On Jul 21, 10:08 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> > > >>>>>>>news:efa8da13-56b6-4386-bfe5-c571b689a669@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> > > >>>>>>>>>> God is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
> > > >>>>>>>>> You have no evidence at all about God.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > >>>>>>>> Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible?
> > > >>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> > > >>>>>>> You could, but it would be much better if you could provide some
> > > >>>>>>> evidence
> > > >>>>>>> of
> > > >>>>>>> God as well.
> > > >>>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>>> Steve O
> > > >>>>>> God sent His Only Begotten Son, Steve. ?If that was not enough for
> > > >>>>>> you, nothing I could do or say is going to convince you of anything.
> > > >>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> > > >>>>> Got any evidence that Jesus was the son of God?
> > > >>>>> Please don't say, "the Bible" - that isn't evidence of anything at all,
> > > >>>>> it's
> > > >>>>> just an old, old story.
> > > >>>>> --
> > > >>>>> Steve O
> > > >>>> Well, actually the Bible is evidence of Hezekiah's tunnel. Three
> > > >>>> different books of the Old Testament describe the construction of
> > > >>>> Hezekiah's tunnel.
> > > >>>> ================================
> > > >>>> Several of the Harry Potter books mention Kings Cross station.
> > > >>>> Does that make the Harry Potter stories true?
> > > >>>> Smiler,
> > > >>> Why don't you spend some more time studying it, Smiler, and decide for
> > > >>> yourself? I know that atheists are a little lacking in self-
> > > >>> confidence, but I think you could decide this question for yourself.
> > > >> I've studied Hezekiah's Tunnel since you brought it up. I still fail to
> > > >> see what its existence has to do with the truthfulness of the Bible.
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> > > >> --
> > > >> ******************************************************
> > > >> * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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> > > > Well, first you would have to make a decision about Hezekiah's
> > > > tunnel. Does the tunnel really exist or is it just a hoax the way one
> > > > atheist claimed?
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> > > Which atheist? Provide a quote.
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> > > > Then if you decide it exists, how does that relate
> > > > to the description of its construction in the Old Testament? Was the
> > > > tunnel seen today the tunnel described in the Old Testament, or is it
> > > > some other tunnel the way atheists continue to say in this newsgroup?
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> > > Which atheists? Provide quotes.
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> > > > I know this is difficult, but it really is possible for an atheist to
> > > > make a decision about this.
> > > > The verses of the Bible that describe the construction of Hezekiah's
> > > > tunnel are either true, or they are false. So far, having said that
> > > > the Bible is only myth, atheists are not willing to admit that there
> > > > are verses describing the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel that are
> > > > obviously true.
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> > > How about this mindblower:
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> > > Hezekiah's Tunnel exists. The Bible talks about it. The Bible is
> > > true...on this fact only...but has nothing to do with the truthfulness
> > > of the Bible.
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> > > Look at every fiction story ever written. A great majority of them
> > > write about the Earth. An even greater majority talk about humans.
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> > > Does that mean that the book itself is now nonfiction since it describe
> > > the Earth exactly how we see it today and how humans are?
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> > Well, we have made progress to a point, that an atheist has admitted
> > that the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel is
> > true. �First of all, not all fiction books describe the construction
> > of something that can be observed.
> > But your premise is wrong. �Just because you can find a fiction book
> > that describes something that can be seen does not prove that all
> > books that describe something that can be seen are fiction.
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> Your misapprehension of his premise is noted.
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> > The
> > furthest you can go �would be to say that the book that describes
> > something that can be seen could be fiction or non-fiction, but you
> > cannot say that you have proven it to be fiction. �So you would have
> > to find something else in the book that you claim is fiction, not
> > Hezekiah's tunnel, which has been proven to be non-fiction. �I hope
> > this will help you in your studies.
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> Yes.
> Using that logic and one data point, this means the bible is fiction
> or non-fiction.
> Using a second data point, say global flood, proves the bible is a
> work of fiction.
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Well, no it does not.  What you are claiming is that if you can find a
mistake or something debatable in a non-fiction book, then you have
proven it is fiction.  What makes a book fiction or non-fiction is the
intent of the author or authors.  A fiction book is an account of
imaginary events.  A perceived mistake in a non-fiction book can
happen because of a misinterpretation of events by either the author
or reader of the book.
Robert B. Winn