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rbwinn wrote:
> On Jul 31, 5:45�am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Jul 30, 10:15 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 30, 6:13 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 5:37 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 3:13 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 5:24 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 8:39 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 7:16 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 5:51 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 7:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:34 am, Stan-O <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is quite a statement. So you are saying that Stalin did not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control. He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union. It is well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documented.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And what's that got to do with atheism?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a Christian by atheists of today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't change the subject. What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheism?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So what is the matter? Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists. They will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they were.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because what they did is irrelevant to me? Now, back onto the question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are REFUSING to answer:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What has what Stalin tried to do ("tried to stamp out religion in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Soviet Union") relevant to atheism?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin was an atheist. His values and beliefs were much like yours
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Torquemada was a christian. His values and beliefs were much like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yours are today. And you're doing your best to make us all see the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point of shooting christians. You really are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, let's talk about those feelings, Al. Pol Pot was just an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unassuming atheistic school teacher until he became a Communist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dictator.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, really, aren't you talking about communism and totalitarianism?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What does atheism have to do with it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Under World Communism one of the pre-requisites for being a dictator
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was being an atheist.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>>> Because Karl Marx said that religion was the opiate of the people.
>>>>>>>>>> And...?
>>>>>>>>>>> Religious people were not allowed to be Communist dictators.
>>>>>>>>>> Cite?
>>>>>>>>> Well, just go ahead and list all of the Communist dictators who were
>>>>>>>>> Christians, Daniel.
>>>>>>>> Thomas M ntzer, for starters.
>>>>>>>> I have more, but I think even one example destroys your guess that
>>>>>>>> religious people are not allowed to be communist dictators.
>>>>>>>> By the way, check out this quote from tienne Cabet: "Communism is
>>>>>>>> Christianity... it is pure Christianity, before it was corrupted by
>>>>>>>> Catholicism."
>>>>>>> Never heard of Thomas Muntzer.
>>>>>> Then this is an opportunity for you to do research. Seek and ye shall find.
>>>>>>> Etienne Cabet sent a colony to Nauvoo,
>>>>>>> Illinois, to take over the houses left by members of the Church of
>>>>>>> Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints who were driven from the city by
>>>>>>> mobs. The Communist colony failed.
>>>>>> Irrelevant.
>>>>>> --
>>>>> Well, I do not think it was irrelevant.
>>>> It is irrelevant to whether Christians can be communist and whether
>>>> Christians can become communist dictators.
>>>> --
>>> Well, it was not irrelevant at the time, just as it is not irrelevant
>>> now whether independent voters are allowed to run for office in this
>>> country.
>> Um, what?
> Since the election of 1800 political party politicians have passed
> laws at state level designed to keep independent voters from running
> for public office.

What has that got to do with Christian Communistic Dictators?

(And independent voters can't run for public office?!  WHAT?!)

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