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rbwinn wrote:
> On Jul 31, 5:52�am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Jul 30, 10:15 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 30, 6:14 pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:9dcddedb-bce6-457f-b0c5-d9a6d2bb6bd7@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> On Jul 22, 10:04?am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:8ab589a3-2731-4a92-a41e-d6870a4e6f4b@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 10:08 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:efa8da13-56b6-4386-bfe5-c571b689a669@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>> God is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
>>>>>>>>>>> You have no evidence at all about God.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>> Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible?
>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>> You could, but it would be much better if you could provide some
>>>>>>>>> evidence
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> God as well.
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Steve O
>>>>>>>> God sent His Only Begotten Son, Steve. ?If that was not enough for
>>>>>>>> you, nothing I could do or say is going to convince you of anything.
>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>> Got any evidence that Jesus was the son of God?
>>>>>>> Please don't say, "the Bible" - that isn't evidence of anything at all,
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>> just an old, old story.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Steve O
>>>>>> Well, actually the Bible is evidence of Hezekiah's tunnel. Three
>>>>>> different books of the Old Testament describe the construction of
>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel.
>>>>>> ================================
>>>>>> Several of the Harry Potter books mention Kings Cross station.
>>>>>> Does that make the Harry Potter stories true?
>>>>>> Smiler,
>>>>> Why don't you spend some more time studying it, Smiler, and decide for
>>>>> yourself? I know that atheists are a little lacking in self-
>>>>> confidence, but I think you could decide this question for yourself.
>>>> I've studied Hezekiah's Tunnel since you brought it up. I still fail to
>>>> see what its existence has to do with the truthfulness of the Bible.
>>>> --
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>>>> * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
>>> Well, first you would have to make a decision about Hezekiah's
>>> tunnel. �Does the tunnel really exist or is it just a hoax the way one
>>> atheist claimed? �
>> Which atheist? �Provide a quote.
>>
>>> Then if you decide it exists, how does that relate
>>> to the description of its construction in the Old Testament? �Was the
>>> tunnel seen today the tunnel described in the Old Testament, or is it
>>> some other tunnel the way atheists continue to say in this newsgroup?
>> Which atheists? �Provide quotes.
>>
>>> I know this is difficult, but it really is possible for an atheist to
>>> make a decision about this.
>>> The verses of the Bible that describe the construction of Hezekiah's
>>> tunnel are either true, or they are false. �So far, having said that
>>> the Bible is only myth, atheists are not willing to admit that there
>>> are verses describing the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel that are
>>> obviously true.
>> How about this mindblower:
>>
>> Hezekiah's Tunnel exists. �The Bible talks about it. �The Bible is
>> true...on this fact only...but has nothing to do with the truthfulness
>> of the Bible.
>>
>> Look at every fiction story ever written. �A great majority of them
>> write about the Earth. �An even greater majority talk about humans.
>>
>> Does that mean that the book itself is now nonfiction since it describe
>> the Earth exactly how we see it today and how humans are?
>>
> 
> Well, we have made progress to a point, that an atheist has admitted
> that the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel is
> true.  First of all, not all fiction books describe the construction
> of something that can be observed.

And that's irrelevant.

> But your premise is wrong.  Just because you can find a fiction book
> that describes something that can be seen does not prove that all
> books that describe something that can be seen are fiction.

Doesn't prove they're nonfiction, either.  You're starting to get it. 
Just because a book talks about the construction of something is 
irrelevant to the veracity of the book.

>  The
> furthest you can go  would be to say that the book that describes
> something that can be seen could be fiction or non-fiction, but you
> cannot say that you have proven it to be fiction.  So you would have
> to find something else in the book that you claim is fiction, not
> Hezekiah's tunnel, which has been proven to be non-fiction.  I hope
> this will help you in your studies.

When you get on to proving that God thing as non-fiction, do let me know.


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* "I distrust those people who know so well what God *
*  wants them to do because I notice it always       *
*  coincides with their own desires."                *
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