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On Jul 30, 3:13�am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Jul 22, 5:24 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >>> On Jul 21, 8:39 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>> On Jul 21, 7:16 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
> >>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Jul 21, 5:51 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Jul 20, 7:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:34 am, Stan-O <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is quite a statement. So you are saying that Stalin did not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control. He
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union. It is well
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> documented.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> And what's that got to do with atheism?
> >>>>>>>>>>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been
> >>>>>>>>>>> a Christian by atheists of today.
> >>>>>>>>>> Don't change the subject. What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to
> >>>>>>>>>> atheism?
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> So what is the matter? Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists. They will
> >>>>>>>>> never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim
> >>>>>>>>> they were.
> >>>>>>>>> Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything?
> >>>>>>>> Because what they did is irrelevant to me? Now, back onto the question
> >>>>>>>> you are REFUSING to answer:
> >>>>>>>> What has what Stalin tried to do ("tried to stamp out religion in the
> >>>>>>>> Soviet Union") relevant to atheism?
> >>>>>>> Stalin was an atheist. His values and beliefs were much like yours
> >>>>>>> are today.
> >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>>> Torquemada was a christian. His values and beliefs were much like
> >>>>>> yours are today. And you're doing your best to make us all see the
> >>>>>> point of shooting christians. You really are.
> >>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>> Well, let's talk about those feelings, Al. Pol Pot was just an
> >>>>> unassuming atheistic school teacher until he became a Communist
> >>>>> dictator.
> >>>> So, really, aren't you talking about communism and totalitarianism?
> >>>> What does atheism have to do with it?
> >>> Under World Communism one of the pre-requisites for being a dictator
> >>> was being an atheist.
> >> Why?
>
> > Because Karl Marx said that religion was the opiate of the people.
>
> And...?
>
> > Religious people were not allowed to be Communist dictators.
>
> Cite?
>
Well, just go ahead and list all of the Communist dictators who were
Christians, Daniel.
Robert b. Winn